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Old 03-29-2006, 06:09 AM   #251
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This post gives a good summary of contemporary sources.
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Old 03-29-2006, 06:15 AM   #252
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This post gives a good summary of contemporary sources.
By the looks of that thread, it shows the sources that do mention Jesus. Im more talking about the sources that dont.

Say we have 100 sources from that time and only 2 mention him, i think we can take something from that. Similarly, if we have only 10 that we can reasonably assume should mention him, and 2 do, we can also take something from that.

I will read it in full now though. Thanks.
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So the only contempory non-christian sources that mention Jesus (at best) are Josephus and Tacitus.
Josephus and Tacitus are not contemporaries. They are both after the fact.
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Is this strange? How many works survive from that time that should (within reason) mention Jesus if he actually existed and performed all these miracles?
There is no way to answer this outside of speculation.

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By the looks of that thread, it shows the sources that do mention Jesus. Im more talking about the sources that dont.

Say we have 100 sources from that time and only 2 mention him, i think we can take something from that. Similarly, if we have only 10 that we can reasonably assume should mention him, and 2 do, we can also take something from that.

I will read it in full now though. Thanks.
Diogenes the Cynic and I are working on a new list of historical sources for Jesus. It's slow going but it will be here soon and hopefully be made a sticky.

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Old 03-29-2006, 07:45 AM   #255
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Diogenes the Cynic and I are working on a new list of historical sources for Jesus. It's slow going but it will be here soon and hopefully be made a sticky.
Cool!
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Old 03-29-2006, 07:48 AM   #256
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Josephus and Tacitus are not contemporaries. They are both after the fact.

There is no way to answer this outside of speculation.

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Fair point.

I didnt mean contemporaries as such, more "close" to the time of Jesus. First century or early second.

Im just trying to get a grasp of how many texts from that time period that we have, that could have mentioned Jesus, if he did in fact perform so many miracles and did so many out of the ordinary things.

Its a very hard thing to try and research.

Your list sounds interesting. Do you think its out of the question to maybe give and overview of the sources from that time that we have today, or is that a silly thing to try and ask?

Thanks.
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Fair point.

I didnt mean contemporaries as such, more "close" to the time of Jesus. First century or early second.

Im just trying to get a grasp of how many texts from that time period that we have, that could have mentioned Jesus, if he did in fact perform so many miracles and did so many out of the ordinary things.

Its a very hard thing to try and research.

Your list sounds interesting. Do you think its out of the question to maybe give and overview of the sources from that time that we have today, or is that a silly thing to try and ask?

Thanks.
The list we are working on go through all the early sources that mention Jesus or christianity. It is taking a while, mostly because I am lazy. I am sure that DtC has a much better excuse.

As for writers who wrote and lived around that time, start here: http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/rmsbrg02.htm

I have not read that link myself, only scanned it, so I am not sure how good it is.

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So the only contempory non-christian sources that mention Jesus (at best) are Josephus and Tacitus.
And Pliny. Those are the Big Three Outside Voices.
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Just wanted to say - very educational thread. Thank you.
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Old 04-03-2006, 10:39 PM   #260
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Diogenes the Cynic and I are working on a new list of historical sources for Jesus. It's slow going but it will be here soon and hopefully be made a sticky.

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Speaking of which, when are we getting the next installment of D the C's Biblical Errors thread? I mean, come on, its been months! Enough dragging your feet already. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say this...
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