outhouse

all of which has nothing to do with this thread, and everything to do with your personal anti-theistic views.

Im all for change

BUT

despite this negative aspect of theism that should be stopped right now, the positive aspects outweigh the negative.

aa5874

You are posting a load of BS. You are on a smear campaign.

Acharya S is regarded as very learned.

See http://www.truthbeknown.com/price-sog-review.html

Roger Pearse

We should not be asking whether we agree, or whether we like, something. We should ask whether it is true. To do otherwise is intellectual suicide.

And we must not ape the dead souls who scream "that is offensive" as a way to silence any opinion they do not wish to hear.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

aa5874

This is most amazing. Let us test your statement.

Let us ask whether it is true!!

Is it not true that Jesus was FATHERED by a Holy Ghost in gMatthew 1.18???

Let us see if it is true!!!

Matthew 1.18 It is TRUE that Jesus of Nazareth was a Myth. It says so right there in the NT. Look at it. It is the truth. Can you see it??

Please, Acharya S is TRUTHFUL. It was a Myth.

Let us ask Tertullian for the truth about Jesus.

Was he Myth or Man??

On the Flesh of Christ That is the truth according to Tertullian. Jesus was NOT a Man's Son.

Roger tell us the truth!!!

Acharya S is truthful. It was NOT Fit that Jesus was a Man--it was FIT for Jesus to be a MYTH.

I can't hear you screaming "that is offensive" against Justin, Tertullian, Origen, gMatthew, gLuke, gJohn, gMark, Acts of the Apostles, Galatians, and other Apologetic sources.

Why, Why, Why???

It was NOT Acharya S who invented the "truth" that Jesus was Fathered by a Holy Ghost of God.

Acharya S merely acknowledges that the truth of Jesus MATCHES true Mythology.

Don't scream at Acharya S. Please, Scream about the Beliefs of people of antiquity.

Acharya S is right. Acharya S is true. Jesus is a TRUE MYTH.

Now, tell us Roger??? Is Ehrman true when he claims Jesus was a man with a human father based on the Truth in the Bible and Apologetic writers???

Roger, was Jesus a man with a human father??? Scream the truth!!! The truth is NOT offensive.

Zwaarddijk

Have you read anything of her output? There's more to it than just claiming a mythical Jesus - she claims

- Man and dinosaur may have coexisted (The Christ Conspiracy / 24. evidence of an Ancient Civilization / Archaeological Evidence)
- Homo Sapiens has existed for at least 2.8 million years (The Christ Conspiracy / 24. evidence of an Ancient Civilization / Age of Mankind)
- Bullshit assertions about linguistic similarities - similarities that at times do exist, but are best explained as coincidences - too many to count (see http://zompist.com/chance.htm for maths on the chance resemblances between unrelated languages).
- That Polynesia was colonised by the Polynesians 30,000 years ago (only true as far as The Solomon Islands go, and there, it was Papuans who managed to sail about 200 miles of open ocean. Any further expansion into Polynesia only began <4500 years ago. The "long" Pacific voyages she talks of are dozens of millennia later than she wants them to be. Any major marine voyages of the ancestors of the Polynesians seldom can have exceeded 200 miles into open sea. (See, e.g. C.E.M. Pearce, Oceanic Migration).
- The age of Indian civilization is 100,000 years+! (p. 155, Suns of God)
- Archeological remnants on Ireland are proof of Ireland being colonized by people from India.
- In general, accepting an out of India theory of Indo-European origins, a theory that only recently has been popularized ... by MILITANT HINDUTVAS!, on account of the scholarly view being in conflict with the Rig-Vedas. Why should western scholars respect MYTH LEGENDS like the Rig-Vedas any more than they accept the Bible?

See, e.g. Hindu Nationalism: Origins, Ideologies and Modern Myths by Chetan Bhatt,
"However, Hindutva supporters of these views content that the denial of Aryan autochthony in India is an example of 'racist', 'colonialist' and 'Christian' chauvinism (although their anger at recently discovered Western racism is not matched by anything like a similar rage at caste - some disagreeable aspects of the latter are ascribed to 'Muslim influences', whereas varna is unhesitatingly defended as a natural order). Hindutva writers are arguing against late nineteenth- and twentieth-century paradigms that few contemporary scholars accept. However, their intevernetions, against what they have dubbed the Western 'Aryan Invasion Theory' (AIT), in contrast to their 'out of India' (OIT) claims, have dramatically affected contemporary Indological and South Asianist disciplines within and outside India. Hindutva claims about the Indus Valley civilization have not been substantiated and contrary evidence is overwhelming." (p 205, and it's well worth reading, I could type up a bit more if anyone wants) - and this kind of militant nationalism is what Acharya thinks will lead to peace on earth.

No matter whether some Jesus guy really existed or not, these claims are bullshit and we are entitled to expose the bullshit she presents.

Meanwhile, there's a weird racism implicit throughout the entire "Evidence of an Ancient Civilization" chapter - as though the native Americans that the Spaniards, Portuguese, French and British ran into were not advanced enough to build the various impressive things they did - no, another race has to be posited to have built them, because, well, I guess the native Americans we know are too stupid to have built that kind of stuff?

I also guess Acharya's say-so as to the age of a lava field is entirely credible. I hear she's an expert on the geological sciences. (Again, 24. Evidence of an Ancient Civilization, Archeological evidence) - no source given in her book!



And through all of this, she weaves a tale of Freemasonry conspiracy.

In the same chapter, subheading "Evidence of Cataclysm", she proposes an axial shift has occurred relatively recently.

Well, I guess she's right about all this, since as we know, the Catholic church is a terrible thing indeed. (Why don't you guys ever realise that is a logical fallacy - the terribleness of the catholic church or any church for that matter has nothing to do with claims of this nature.)

One main objection, really, is that so much of it is speculation based on speculative stuff based on further speculative stuff. If any stage of this layered speculation has mistakes in it, the entire house of cards crumble down. When science is done, multiple layers of speculation are not the way it's done - the layers of speculation are *TESTED* before too much new speculation is built on top of it*. Guys, get that - TESTED!!!


* ok, a significant portion of number theory and complexity theory seem to have been built on unproven assumptions - e.g. a lot of number theory basically was 'assuming Fermat's last theorem holds true', and only with the advent of computers could significant numbers of candidate solutions be tried, and only decades later was a definite proof produced. In complexity theory, P = NP? currently occupies a similar position, where everyone assumes it to be true because

Iskander

Your comment was a personal insult and in years gone past it would have meant the burning of the witch.

I much rather listen to people like her than to the death cult profiteers of the Vatican.

Hell, burnings and intolerance is what your arrogant zombies brought to us.



Dedicated to Acharya S

Her book is like a red, red rose
That's newly sprung in June;
Her book is like the melodie
That's sweetly played in tune.

A Red, Red Rose
by Robert Burns


O my luve is like a red, red rose
That's newly sprung in June;
My love is like the melodie
That's sweetly played in tune.

As fair art thou, my bonny lass,
So deep in luve am I;
And I will luve thee still, my dear,
Till a' the seas gang dry.

Till a' the seas gang dry, my dear,
And the rocks melt wi' the sun;
I will luve thee still, my dear,
While the sands o' life shall run.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Oh,_My..._Red,_Red_Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXX2AJkKJNI
Kenneth McKellar

outhouse

Boloney



anti theism is not the issue here

there are no winners trying to pick the worse misinformation


most people do have the faculties to see through the allegory and mythology of the bible though, and place it proeprly into context. and as you ignored the positive still has outweighed the negative. and only the ignorant place social and cultural issues into negatively into theism


the other is bad fiction from poor shody work

Iskander

Unfortunately your motivation is that of a crank, desperate to rubbish something, rather than someone in love with learning for its own sake.

If you were reading around the subject for love, rather than hate, you wouldn't fall into these pit-traps, because you would get the broader picture that you lack.

The question you have never asked is "how do we find out what happened in ancient times?" rather than "can I find something which will do down the opponent?"

I fear, I am merely dealing with a poor man who has been debauched in obedience to the spirit of the age, and is now merely trying to rationalise away a bad conscience, rather than going back and dealing with the sin and the consequences. If so, I should feel sorry for you.


Witches burning for the glory the god-full.


“For them [witches] new punishments, new pangs, were expressly devised. They were tried in a lump; they were condemned by a single word. Never had there been such wastefulness of human life.

Even Ferdinand II., the savage Emperor of the Thirty Years’ War, was driven, bigot as he was, to keep a watch on these worthy bishops, else they would have burned all their subjects


Mark how, at certain seasons, hatred wields this one word Witch, as a means of murdering whom she will. Woman’s jealousy, man’s greed, take ready hold of so handy a weapon. Is such a one wealthy? She is a Witch. Is that girl pretty? She is a Witch.


The accused, when they can, avert the torture by killing themselves. Remy, that excellent judge of Lorraine, who burned some eight hundred of them, crows over this very fear. “So well,” said he, “does my way of justice answer, that of those who were arrested the other day, sixteen, without further waiting, strangled themselves forthwith.”


THE WITCH OF THE MIDDLE AGES.
FROM THE FRENCH OF J. MICHELET.
BY L. J. TROTTER.
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Roger Pearse

Nope. It was written out of pity, for a woman who is the victim of a corrupt age. You, on the other hand, ...

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Iskander

Out of pity?


For me she walks in beauty

She walks in beauty, like the night
Of cloudless climes and starry skies;
And all that's best of dark and bright
Meet in her aspect and her eyes:

The morals of our time are much better than they have ever been.
She is magnificent


One shade the more, one ray the less,
Had half impaired the nameless grace
Which waves in every raven tress,
Or softly lightens o'er her face;
Where thoughts serenely sweet express,
How pure, how dear their dwelling-place.


http://www.potw.org/archive/potw9.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_zCO...feature=fvwrel

She walks in beauty--poem with text