kjartan

Why do some homosexuals go around and call themself Christian? is it because they believe in Jesus or do they also go to church..? If they only believe that Jesus was a fine man and all the others after him only rewrote the story in their own way I can accept it , but when the same people are active in churches and religious groups believing in the bible and even the old testament I have no respect no more... why would people actively join a group that dont want them in their group? Why do some gays think its ok to work "within the system" to make the church more liberal?
I think it s some kind of "slave mentality" its pathetic
If you read the bible it is written in the bible that men who sleaps with other men ..... is wrong and a deadly sin or what have you
so Gay people stay out of the church or make your own religion based on acceptance dont go around and give support for people who work against you and only want to harm you as most christians want...
It just pisses me off to see other gay people do this...

Hedshaker

Gay Christians

Come join. All welcome......

Orbit

Sven

Essentially the same argument can be made for women. Doesn't change the fact that (I think) over 50% of all Christians are female. :huh:

Barefoot Bree

Because the large majority of Christian churches are more liberal and accepting of gays. The ones we always hear about who don't accept gays, adhering to those passages of the bible, are the minority (though it doesn't feel like it, sometimes.)

Time for the Wildernesse lecture: NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE RABID FUNDIES. Most of them don't believe in slavery, either, and it's definitely condoned in the Bible, too.

kelsos

I have never understood this. How could I believe in a Holy Book that calls me an evil sinner who should be put to death?

Weird.

WCH

Maybe because the people who follow it feel guilty about something, and the fact that it calls them an evil sinner affirms that, but also offers a way out through forgiveness...

I definitely can't understand how any intelligent woman can read the Bible and think it to be the Word of God. Gays it's a bit more open for (ironically), because the famous passage in the NT actually refers to "masturbators with men," not "homosexuals" -- probably refering to male prostitutes -- and the OT passage about putting them to death seems to be also talking about male cult prostitution. After all, it uses the word "abomination," which is only ever used in a religious sense in the Bible; if it wasn't a religious act the passage was refering to, it wouldn't use that word.

ScarletBea

I agree completely with this.
So speaks a gay former catholic.
Even before I discovered I was gay I was completly catholic and completely accepting of gay people. Nobody is just defined by their sexuality. Even after discovering I loved women, I still went on for about 2 years being an extremely active member of my church, and doing things believing in them. I didn't (and still don't) see any conflict in being gay and catholic, because I never was a fundie or a literalist.
I've grown apart from the church for 1 year now, but being gay was not the reason, more the fact of discovering many things I didn't agree with from the official hierarchy, and realising that I had been doing that for all my adult life, picking and choosing what I thought in my self was right and ignoring or dismissing what I thought wrong. And suddenly I couldn't do that anymore, it just didn't feel right.

I still believe in God, though. A loving God who doesn't discriminate people, and who created me (hey, not speaking literally here, I'm definitely not a creationist hehe) as I am: a human being, who happens to be gay, who's being very happy and making my other half very happy by giving her all of myself and living the deep and profound love I have for her. And that's what I heard all my life that God wanted for me: to be happy, to love, to make others happy.
I know I also made some people unhappy when I told them who I really was, but I figure it ends up being their problem: they wouldn't want to love an image of me, right? Someone they invented in their minds but who isn't really myself?

I'm happy as I am and I don't see any contradiction in me, or in people who are gay and christians (active or otherwise).

Brave Sir Robin

The short answer, kjartan, is simple:

Not all Christians believe the Bible is inerrant or that it is "the Word of God".

Many Christians perceive the Bible as a work of man, to be taken seriously (i.e., as a metaphor, a mythology) but not literally.

Yahzi

But that what's all Fundies believe!

Original sin, and all that.

So being gay, or a murderer, or a child molester, isn't really any different than being born: all men deserve eternal fire, period. Some are saved by the grace of God, but not by their works: so really, what works you do don't matter.

It's like a slacker's dream come true. You don't have to try, because you're already marked for failure, unless the Higher Ups rig the test for you. And since the only people who pass the test are those that had the test rigged for them, you don't even have to feel challenged by their success.

Given this is what fundies teach of all men, why would being gay make any difference? It's not like God hates you more for your gayness than he does for your Original Sin. Both of them win you an eternal seat in hell.

DaMan121

So basically, Christians today are just a bunch of StarTrek fans. They know its only a show, but they put on the clothes, their Spock ears, read the Klingon dictionary back to front, and go to the conferences.