livius drusus

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Rational BAC

Actually I think we are a much more secular country than we were say 50 years ago. Thanks to the power of the ACLU and a general turning towards the tolerance of secularism by the still mostly Christian populace.

I went to Junior High in Florida in the mid-fifties when the first order of the day was Bible reading and required Christian prayer in PUBLIC SCHOOLS.----------what a laugher such a concept would be today.

I think we have much improved.

The sky is not falling for atheists. It is getting brighter.

jfryejr

Ahh, I see where you're coming from now. I've just managed to wean myself off of xstianity within the last year. Once it fell, Yaweh was quickly gone, too. I still suffer the repercussions of being religious (although I was never a fundie in any regards). I've a lot to consider about the aspects of living in a "christian" society...and I feel I've just recently liberated all of my 'reason' from the tyranny of 'faith' enough to let consider these things.

Rational BAC

I read the link ------so you just edit and state "double post". Does that mean you have to erase the whole (sometimes very long) post or can you just add at the end of the very obvious duplicate -----"double post"?------- And would typing that in caps help at all to make a possibly sleepy-eyed mod take notice?

Like------ DOUBLE POST !!!!!!!!!!!

Rational BAC

It is a very long life with many experiences and not all of them subject to logic or reason.

You may come back to Christianity. I did.

livius drusus

Well, I can't say I've ever found it all that labor-intensive to click and drag over a post and type in "double - please delete," but I'm sure a nice caps note at the beginning of a double post will suffice to catch our bleary and most likely hungover eyes.

Biff the unclean

I can not even imagine what it would take to make me become a Christian again. I've been around probably as long as you. I've traveled the world, fought in a war, assisted at the births of my children, talked with apes and dolphins yet I've never seen a single thing that was not subject to logic and reason.

Ever.

I would have to forget about all the history and comparative mythology I've read. I would have to ignore every last thing I know about science. I would have to cease to discern and become credulous.

I can't see that happening. I hope it never happens, being a Christian is a lousy way to spend your life.

Biff the unclean

Once it fell, Yaweh was quickly gone, too.
Yahweh is an embarrassment. Note that Sabine has dismissed him. He's a very primitive god, not unlike some of the gods you find on Pacific Islands. The creation story is as believable as that of Maui pulling the islands of the world (which is all the land there is) up out of the Pacific with his magic fishhook (the constellation Scorpio) and humans coming from coconuts.
The only reason anyone other than Mythologists pay attention to him is the connection to Jesus. I think that it's interesting that in the NT the name Yahweh is never mentioned.

I still suffer the repercussions of being religious (although I was never a fundie in any regards).
I was a Catholic in Ireland. One of my Aunts was even a nun. That's enough to give you post traumatic stress.

I've a lot to consider about the aspects of living in a "christian" society...and I feel I've just recently liberated all of my 'reason' from the tyranny of 'faith' enough to let consider these things.
It's a long trip and not an easy one. There is a great deal of double talk in Christianity. A constant claiming (bragging) of virtues that they don't posses and denial of flaws that they do. Sometimes it seems that all they do is claim what doesn't exist does and what is right in front of your face doesn't. You have to learn to believe what you see and not what you are told by them.

mark9950

Did you come back to christianity?

Could you give a full explanation?

Sabine Grant

Christ stands equaly with the men and women who had the courage and motivation to reform any system which enslaved human beings exploiting their misery thru history. That kind of "idiot" ( I realize you did not use that label...someone else did) is worthy of my attention and desire to reflect on his teachings.

I also wanted to add that the term "idiot" has been quite explored in my culture where "l'idiot du village"if often mocked and ridiculed ends up being the one who inspires goodness. That theme is quite common in French literature.

Have a good day. [/B][/QUOTE]

Bonjour rational BAC,
Here is the actual comment I made and in context regarding the use of the word "idiot"applied to Christ. I certainly do not abide to the belief that folks who are mentaly impaired and refered to as "idiots" cannot be a source of inspiration.