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Old 06-14-2004, 04:23 AM   #21
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Secondly G-d ( not Muhammad [theres a difference]) have given very subtle hints in the Quran
This says it all.
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Wait, this scholar prooves the Bible to be crap by analysing names from another pile of crap?
Something that was not convincing when Alexander Hislop proved Catholicism crap in 'The Two Babylons'.

The author of this Muslim nonsense writes 'Is it any wonder why scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls claim that the figure referred to only as "the Liar" was Paul!'

I'm certain that River will be able to confirm that the author has the faintest idea what he is talking about by naming these scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls who claim "the Liar" was Paul, and producing evidence that they are right

But until River produces confirmation that the Muslim author was not simply blowing hot air here, I must assume that it is all gibberish.
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I think River is highly impressionable thats all.
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I'm not a great fan of pro-Zionist websites, either, but if you're going to claim some kind of credibility for Taliyah Al Mahdi, then I'd like to see you refute the accusations made against them by Internet Haganah.


Taliyah Al Mahdi is not a "fundamentalist" organization or an "Islamist" organization as " Haganah" seems to imply. If you've read through their mission objectives. They are very much anti-Taliban. They want to prevent " Mulla Umar " [ #2 terrrorist on U.S list] from rising to power in Central Asia. Their goals are in essense in synchrony with the United States. You however, have fallen trap to the media....perhaps you are naive or simply unaware.




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The essay in question has a lot of problems with language, but does have an extensive discussion of the "swoon" theory, with more details than I have seen before (but I have not read much about this before). There also appears to be a mishmash of snippets of scholarship that are not always well digested.

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The author of this Muslim nonsense writes 'Is it any wonder why scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls claim that the figure referred to only as "the Liar" was Paul!'

I'm certain that River will be able to confirm that the author has the faintest idea what he is talking about by naming these scholars of the Dead Sea Scrolls who claim "the Liar" was Paul, and producing evidence that they are right.
There is one scholar who has opined that the Liar of the DSS was Paul - Robert Eisenman - but he has to maintain that the carbon dating of the scrolls is off by a century, and no other scholar gives this theory any credibility, if even Eisenman himself still believes it.
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After reading the article there is one thing that confused me.....okay we know that Jesus Christ (pbuh) traveled to Egypt, Persia, Tibet and India....But the author says that Jesus Christ also traveled to Meso-America!

I was wondering if anyone would have support and or an explanation for Jesus' trip to Meso-America? I find that a little bit difficult to envision.


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After reading the article there is one thing that confused me.....okay we know that Jesus Christ (pbuh) traveled to Egypt, Persia, Tibet and India....But the author says that Jesus Christ also traveled to Meso-America!

I was wondering if anyone would have support and or an explanation for Jesus' trip to Meso-America? I find that a little bit difficult to envision.


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I think saying that we 'know' that Jesus travelled to Egypt, Persia, Tibet and India is way too strong a phrase.

It is much fairer to say that some people people have theorised that Jesus travelled to those places, but the majority of people are not convinced by these theories.

Do you have any evidence to support these theories of Jesus travelling the world?
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It is much fairer to say that some people people have theorised that Jesus travelled to those places...
do they even qualify as theories? i have yet to see any evidence, this seems hypothesis at best.
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do they even qualify as theories? i have yet to see any evidence, this seems hypothesis at best.
I was being generous...
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After reading the article there is one thing that confused me.....okay we know that Jesus Christ (pbuh) traveled to Egypt, Persia, Tibet and India....But the author says that Jesus Christ also traveled to Meso-America!
We don't know he went to those places. Tibet and India? When was he there? Proof?

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I was wondering if anyone would have support and or an explanation for Jesus' trip to Meso-America? I find that a little bit difficult to envision.
Methinks you need a healthy dose of the Book of Mormon. They go into great length about Jesus and his after-death escapades in the New World. A great scf-fi read.

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