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GPLindsey · 10-01-2004, 05:17 PM

You see it everywhere that Christians gather in abundance--Right to Life marches, football games, campaign rallys, etc. Someone holds up a sign or wears a T-shirt that says "John 3:15," which reads "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." I think secularists should pick an embarrassing verse out of the Bible and try to make that as ubiquitous as John 3:15. But which verse should we hold up on our signs?

Here is my vote: Exodus 29:20. It reads: "Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about." It has everything--animal sacrifices, blood rituals, pointless ceremonial detail, and a profound silliness. What Christian wouldn't be annoyed at having to stop and explain to somebody what that verse is and means, if it keeps showing up in crowd scenes on TV?

But maybe I'm missing the boat and there are far better verses out there. So does anyone have any better suggestions as to what the one definitive Bible verse is, that secularists should latch on to as a comeback to John 3:15?
:huh:

Chicken Girl · 10-01-2004, 05:25 PM

Don't you mean John 3:16?

GPLindsey · 10-01-2004, 05:31 PM

My quote of 3:15 is accurate, and I'm certain I've seen it. It could be 3:16, but it says basically the same thing.

Bright Life · 10-01-2004, 05:42 PM

Quote:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

FYI

Sarpedon · 10-01-2004, 06:26 PM

a good source

Dt 22:12 "do not wear clothing made one part of linen and one part of some other cloth."

Dt 23:1 "a man who's testicles have been crushed or penis has been cut off, must not be admitted into the congregation of the lord."

1Cor: 11:6 "If a woman goes without a veil, let her hair be cut off, too."

Ac20:9 "as Paul went on and on, a young man named Eutychus who was sitting on the window sill grew drowsy and was overcome by sleep and fell to the ground three floors below. He was picked up dead."

mongrel · 10-01-2004, 06:44 PM

I'm quite partial to Isaiah 45:7, KJV(my emphasis):

Quote:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Jhuger · 10-01-2004, 08:44 PM

Mark 16:18

Quote:

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

"Can I buy you a drink?"

Chicken Girl · 10-01-2004, 09:23 PM

I don't think this is quite Humor material. Let's try it in GRD.

Azathoth · 10-01-2004, 09:27 PM

Well, here's the origin of the 3:16 sign carriers. It seems to be a suitably odd start for an odd behaviour like this.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a971107.html

And this is the response I'd give anybody preaching at me with any bible quote:

Genesis 4:1

Quote:

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

In other words, tell them to go fuck themselves.

philian · 10-01-2004, 09:29 PM

My favorite: Psalms 137:9

"A blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock."

10-01-2004, 05:17 PM	#1
GPLindsey Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 221	Contest: What verse is the best secular comeback to John 3:15? You see it everywhere that Christians gather in abundance--Right to Life marches, football games, campaign rallys, etc. Someone holds up a sign or wears a T-shirt that says "John 3:15," which reads "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." I think secularists should pick an embarrassing verse out of the Bible and try to make that as ubiquitous as John 3:15. But which verse should we hold up on our signs? Here is my vote: Exodus 29:20. It reads: "Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about." It has everything--animal sacrifices, blood rituals, pointless ceremonial detail, and a profound silliness. What Christian wouldn't be annoyed at having to stop and explain to somebody what that verse is and means, if it keeps showing up in crowd scenes on TV? But maybe I'm missing the boat and there are far better verses out there. So does anyone have any better suggestions as to what the one definitive Bible verse is, that secularists should latch on to as a comeback to John 3:15? :huh:

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10-01-2004, 05:25 PM	#2
Chicken Girl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 6,549	Don't you mean John 3:16?

10-01-2004, 05:31 PM	#3
GPLindsey Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 221	My quote of 3:15 is accurate, and I'm certain I've seen it. It could be 3:16, but it says basically the same thing.

10-01-2004, 06:26 PM	#5
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	a good source Dt 22:12 "do not wear clothing made one part of linen and one part of some other cloth." Dt 23:1 "a man who's testicles have been crushed or penis has been cut off, must not be admitted into the congregation of the lord." 1Cor: 11:6 "If a woman goes without a veil, let her hair be cut off, too." Ac20:9 "as Paul went on and on, a young man named Eutychus who was sitting on the window sill grew drowsy and was overcome by sleep and fell to the ground three floors below. He was picked up dead."

10-01-2004, 09:23 PM	#8
Chicken Girl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 6,549	I don't think this is quite Humor material. Let's try it in GRD.

10-01-2004, 09:29 PM	#10
philian Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Spokane Posts: 576	My favorite: Psalms 137:9 "A blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock."

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