Professor

Well, Gravitationists do often say mass.

windsofchange

I just commented on another thread that creationists seem to think that evolutionists worship Darwin in the same way that they worship the Bible, fearful of changing even a "jot or a tittle", no matter what the actual evidence might show -- when actually Darwin's initial premises have been constantly challenged and revised since publication.

and P.S.:

groooannnn ....

Lazarus Long

From that page:

Ahhh, the old appeal to authority: "these men weren't dummies", therefore everything they thought must be true, right? Most of those guys did nothing in the field of evolutionary biology. Their focus on von Braun as a "modern: scientists who accepts creation is a laugh, his field was rocket engineering and physics, not evolution. Pasteur is the only one of that bunch who did any significant biology work, and he did so around the same time as Darwin's The Origin of Species was published. Pasteur's work focused primarly in killing micro-organisms, not studying how they evolved. Some of his discoveries were accidental, and some of his processes he borrowed from rival scientists without credit.

LL

espritch

Good Old Werner Von Braun. Was this the same Werner Von Braun who headed the V2 rocket program for Germany in WWII? You know, the one that used all that Jewish slave labor? From what I've heard, they killed more Jewish slaves building them than British citizens using them.

I wonder if the Creationists really want to use Mr Von Braun as their poster child for Greate Scientists Who Believe the Bible?

cajela

Hey, maybe "Evolutionism" *is* a religion. What is it, anyway? I've never heard of it... :Cheeky:

chieftain

'Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department', says Werner von Braun.

Lazarus Long

His oft-stated defence was that it was the way of things...he was told to use slave labour, so he did. He joined the Nazi party because pretty much anyone of any influence had to, and if he wanted to continue his work, he had no choice. He joined the SS because he was invited to do so, and to turn down such an invitation would be political suicide. That's his story, he stuck to it, and it is plausible enough.

He was also jailed temporarily for allegedly making "defeatist" statements that the war was not going well and was mismanaged by Berlin. They released him because they needed him working on the V-2 so that they could turn the tide of the war because it was not going well....oh, the irony....

But even despite the questions about his Nazi / SS / slave labour connections, the fact is that the man's field had nothing to do with the evolution vs creation debate (or non-debate, really.) He may have been a rocket scientist, but that does not make his views on god and creation any more compelling.

LL

Johnnyboy

Does somebody of you know, what kind of christian Werner von Braun was?

Sven

You know, that's the same "defense" I've heard some people use to justify slavery in the OT (over there at BC&H).

Her pinkness saves

they do believe in an invisible "force" that no one has ever seen. >.>