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Old 10-26-2007, 02:26 PM   #21
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Galatians 3:1 'You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.'

How did that happen 'before their very eyes'?

Why did the fact that Jesus was crucified need to be demonstrated - unless it was a theological statement about Jesus and not a historical one?

And why would any Christian doubt that Jesus was crucified?

If the crucifixion was a non-extraordinary historical fact about Jesus, as ordinary a statement as that Pilate was the governor at the time, then why did it need to be demonstrated?

After all, we are often told that Paul does not mention more amazing things than the crucifixion, because all those Gospel facts were all background knowledge for his readers that did not need to be made explicit.

So why the struggle over such basic historical elements as crucifixion?

Unless Paul had difficulty demonstrating something which had never happened?
I'm inclined to go out on a limb and say he's talking about a strong, charismatic ecstatic experience as a result of a near-death-experience induced by a robust form of baptism in which baptees (?) were nearly drowned, thereby coming to "die with Christ", and be "reborn" or "resurrected with Christ" through a unitary mystical experience as a result of a temporary loss of self-sense (i.e. one's normal preoccupation with perpetuating one's image of oneself gives up the ghost near death, thereby giving room for a unitary experience of being just the Universe being itself).

They were real men and women in those days!
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:44 PM   #22
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There are some fascinating comments in Galatians.

What is this about churches in Galatia? What does Paul mean by churches in Judea that are in Christ?

What is this about if not celtic practices?

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Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
This sounds like yer ordinary celtic Galatians had been got at by at least two sects of Judaism - a circumcision lot and a christ lot. Paul intended all the Judaic stuff as a primer for non jews, not a reminder to lapsed jews!
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