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Old 04-03-2004, 12:25 AM   #41
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Is that it? Thats all the argumentation I see. Women are prominent in Luke, thus it can be postulated Luke was written by a woman.
Here are the reasons:
*Luke uses "women" 11 times, Mt 6, Mk 2, J 0
*Luke uses "womb" 8 times, Mt and J 1, Mk 0
*Only Luke is interested in Mary's inner life (2:18,34,51)
*Annunciation made to Mary rather than Joseph (Lukan change)
* Only Luke gives lines of rejoicing in fact of pregnancy itself
*Only bibauthor to mention fetal quickening and to describe it as evoking indwelling of holy spirit
*Only gospel author to imply female disciples outnumber male (8:2)
*Only gospel author to imply Jesus and the 12 financed by women (8:3)
*First to call Jesus "lord' is woman
*First person resurrected after Jesus is woman (Acts 9)
*First European Christian is womn (Acts 11)
*Only NT writer to say woman were first to believe and men refused to believe (24:10-11)
*Only NT writer to stress men and women both shall prophesy
*Only NT writer to have female prophet(ess), Anna
*Only Bib author interested in female osteoporosis (L 13)
*Only gospel write to praise women who spoke up to men
*Luke has largest case of female characters in NT
*Luke is especially interest in women/widows who have lost children
*Luke has a unique common theme of doubled men/women pairs
*Luke changes Matt (24:40-1) to have the men sleeping while the women are working, surely a sly feminist joke if there ever was one.
*Of four added healing miracles in Luke, two involve women
*Of eight short sayings added by Luke, half concern women

Helms gives many examples. There is no reason why Luke could not be written by a woman, unless you have some preconception or presupposition that only men could write gospels. On the balance, the evidence seems to indicate a woman. There's more in Helms. Track it down, Vinnie.

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Old 04-03-2004, 01:41 AM   #42
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Could the Ignatius material be a part of a proto-Gospel source, or is it definitively GMatt? I'm not familiar with the early apologists, so forgive me if this question is naive.
The problems dating Ignatius are quite complex. We are mainly left with fourth century churchmen to attest for the date of Ignatius's life.


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There is no external attestation in the first century aside from Clement...
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"Clement" is a murky apparition with at least a dozen known fabrications assigned to the name.

In this case, of course, the letter itself does not attest to Clement's authorship. Instead we rely on Eusebius.

The Church forgery mill is every bit as likely as this mysterious "Clement".
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