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Old 01-19-2004, 02:01 PM   #251
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Lonely_Road_Of_Faith, not to really get even further off the topic as it has been for awhile now, I just wanted to point this out:

You keep droping in quotes from the NT as though they were obvious wisdom. While some are, some really instead are very unwise. Even though these were also said by the as written version of jesus, he didn't do that great of a job following his own words.

Please try to be more selective with quotes attributed to real wisdom when making a point, thank you.
And whose definition of wisdom do we go by? Human wisdom is foolish.
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And whose definition of wisdom do we go by? Human wisdom is foolish.
I can see you point. If you think the bible is not foolish then everything else would have to be foolish. A Christian version of "I'm not crazy, everyone else is crazy."

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And whose definition of wisdom do we go by? Human wisdom is foolish.
And the Bible is obviously full of foolish human wisdom.
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His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states, that he treats with them as such, and for himself, his heirs, and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof.

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And whose definition of wisdom do we go by? Human wisdom is foolish.
Tell ya what. Why don't we test them against each other? You keep shooting your trap off about how God is smart and people are stupid...so let's compare the two against reality and see. Human wisdom against God's "wisdom."
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I noticed that Magus scriptural passages were all from Corinthians.

Paul wrote lots of damned letters to various churches trying to impose his own view of Christianity.

But dammit they are just LETTERS. MEMOS if you want from the CEO to his underlings. And just like the CEO's of Enron and Tyco, Paul could have been quite in error. I believe he was in much of his writings.

I cannot imagine how anyone could take the egotistical ramblings of Paul all that seriously.

Paul was just a means to an end. A way to spread Christianity enormously. But that is all he was.

We are supposed to be very skeptical of what Paul wrote. And I think that was and is God's will--for us to realize that Paul was just a means to an end. Paul done good in what he done good in. But for Christ sake don't believe every damned thing he wrote.
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RBAC, your position reminds me of those that call themselves Wicca. The problem the Wicca has is that there is little to nothing left of the original religion that is known today so they pretty much make it up as they go along. Your observations about the bible basically put you in a similar situation. You want to be Christian but as far as you can tell, not much of the original religion has made it to the twenty first century. If it were me I would declare it a dead religion and move on.

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I noticed that Magus scriptural passages were all from Corinthians.

Paul wrote lots of damned letters to various churches trying to impose his own view of Christianity.

But dammit they are just LETTERS. MEMOS if you want from the CEO to his underlings. And just like the CEO's of Enron and Tyco, Paul could have been quite in error. I believe he was in much of his writings.

I cannot imagine how anyone could take the egotistical ramblings of Paul all that seriously.

Paul was just a means to an end. A way to spread Christianity enormously. But that is all he was.

We are supposed to be very skeptical of what Paul wrote. And I think that was and is God's will--for us to realize that Paul was just a means to an end. Paul done good in what he done good in. But for Christ sake don't believe every damned thing he wrote.
The Bible comfirms that what Paul wrote is in accordance with God, not Himself. Now do you have any support for why we shouldn't accept what Paul wrote? Why accept what Jesus wrote since you don't even think He was perfect? What about Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter? Why accept them and not Paul? Who determines which authors are right and which aren't?
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The Bible comfirms that what Paul wrote is in accordance with God, not Himself.
But isn't that a perfectly circular argument?
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Magus - But isn't that a perfectly circular argument?
No. Its not circular if a completely separate author attests to Paul's validity. The Bible is not one book.
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