jakejonesiv

Hi Andrew,

Thank you! So we arrive at the middle of the fifth century before anyone even alludes to the verse that contains E.D.'s alleged smoking gun.

This is very much looking like a case of the dog that didn't bark.

I am beginning to think that AA had yet another point worthy of consideration:


Jake

andrewcriddle

I'm not quite sure what argument is being made here, but if it is being suggested that Hebrews 8:4 is possibly a late addition to the text then one should note that the verse is present in P46 normally dated c 200 CE.

Andrew Criddle

jakejonesiv

Hi Andrew,

No, the context is Earl Doherty's Hebrew 8:4 challenge (and elsewhere) in which he argues that the only possible meaning of Hebrews 8:4 is that Jesus was never on earth. Please note that E.D. argues that from the grammer, it is impossible that Jesus may have been on earth in the writer's past.

And he has issued a challenge for anyone to prove him wrong (but with himself as the judge).

That would indeed be a smoking gun, but one would expect that if this were true, someone in antiquity would have noted it or taken exception to it.

Best,

Jake

aa5874

You appear to be know what is being argued because you have supplied a early date for Hebrews 8.4.

But, c 200 CE does not help Doherty at all.

There is simply no evidence or corroboration whatsoever in all antiquity that the Epistle Hebrews was composed in the 1st century and before the Jesus story was known.

The author is Unknown and was NOT ever known even up to today, there is NO mention of Epistle Hebrews by authors of the Jesus stories and there is NO claim in Epistle Hebrews itself that it was composed before c 70 CE.

Doherty's use of Epistle Hebrews to argue for a Celestial Never on Earth Jesus appears to only show that the Celestial Never on Earth Jesus is most likely a Late Invention.

Doherty cannot ever establish at all that Hebrews 8.4 was composed before the Jesus story that the very Jesus was claimed to have been crucified in Jerusalem after he was Delivered up by the Jews.

sotto voce

Hebrews must have been written between the time of Jesus' supposed resurrection and the time of the destruction of the Temple, because it refers to human priests still offering Temple sacrifices. The notion that it suggests that Jesus was never on earth is so bizarre as to make farcical its discussion, if not the reputations of those who engage in such discussion.

Bingo the Clown-O

You sound frightened.

Are you frightened?

sotto voce

Confirmation, and so soon.

Bingo the Clown-O

Gosh, you really out-thunked me that time.

sotto voce

So what's new?

Bingo the Clown-O

Sounds to me like you are trying to bully people into keeping silent.

That so lame!

If EarlDoherty’s thesis sucks then why not just present your facts and compelling arguments and qwn him?

Why are you resorting to stupid bullying techniques?

Is that an identifying characteristic of the fine outstanding members of your community?