Phlox Pyros

For the acronym INRI, why did they skip the est and "suspended"? Shouldn't it have been IESNRI? It seems to me that just using the "I" of "Id" wouldn't really get the acronym across very well if people didn't know that the est and especially the "suspended" followed...

Man...I gotta learn Latin better. It would be fun to quiz you a little further on this.

May I ask if you came up with this on your own or if you read it somewhwere else? If you read it, can you give the name of your source (or the website if it happens to be a website). Thanks.

Roger Pearse

I was wondering what your source is, for this statement?

To the best of my knowledge, the only source for the story is the Gospels, which give a Greek text.

This means that the above Latin is someone's modern translation into Latin from a printed NT Greek text, surely?

I do not think that the full-stops are to be found in the Greek NT.

Sus='suspended'? Pilate can hardly have spoken English.

It is not found with such a meaning in QuickLatin, which only gives the 'pig' option.

If we look it up in Perseus we find the same. From that Lewis & Short gives only pig and also a form of fish.

Note that Perseus and Lewis and Short give only Classical, NOT medieval usages.

Yes: but sus- is only a prefix.

suspendere = hang up, suspend, and the above indicates the up-ness of the pendere. But if we say that sus is an abbreviation for suspenditur, do we have evidence of such an abbreviation in use in the Roman period?

sustentare=endure,sustain (above does not come into it).

May I ask, hesitantly, if this is your own idea? Or did you find it somewhere? It all sounds like nonsense, anyhow -- sorry. There are just too many problems with it.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Chris Weimer

Why not? After all, it was written in Greek first, then Latin.

And Roger, you're too kind.

Nialler

I must dig out my old Longman's Latin and my Caesar and Ovid texts.

I really enjoyed my Latin studies - the Ovid verse was beautiful, and uit was an easy "A" at exam time.

I still enjoy translating Latin inscriptions when I see them.

And begging my pardon, bu the French Sous (sus?) means "below".

The Bishop

Well, you'll have to forgive me for responding to what looked on the face of it to be a straight misprint, in the absence of any other transcription-Greek text.

Chris Weimer

You are forgiven.

Crazy Diamond

Roger Pearce,

May I ask, Which statement sounds more like nonsense:


To say that Pilate wrote "I.E.SVS NAZARENVS REX IVDAEORVM" [Id Est Suspended..] ?,

or,

to falsely accuse Pilate by saying that he wrote a false name for the lamb. ?



I do not write anyone's interpretation, but a Scriptural basis, as it was quoted before:

The reason why Pilate, by writing the word(s) “I.e.sus”, did not write the name of a person, not even names


1. In the original Hebrew name given to the Lamb [Yahshua/Jeh-óshua] abides the tetragram of the name Yahweh/Jehavéh [YHWH/JHVH], and for that, the name of the Lamb was omitted by the High Priest who would in no way pronounce the Name when referring to a condemned one. For it has been a procedure of the High priest based in the Law, and the true Name of the lamb was not given to Pilate by the High priest.


2. The letters of the tetragram couldn’t be brought up once again by having the name Yahshua/Jeh-óshua written on the plaque of whom was said to be an “accursed one”, and according to the High Priest who would have to minister and apply the Law once given to the children of Ishrael, the blasphemy of “one taking the eternal name in vain" would remain when writing the KADDHESH[Holiness], the letters of the tetragram of the sanctified Hebrew Name [Yahweh/Jehavéh/Jahveh] on the plaque of an “accursed one” [according to the High Priest]. – The Lamb was indicted by the Law of the Synedrium [Sanhedrin - Council of seventy-one sages of the Hebrew Court] and the sentence of the death penalty was based in His pronunciation of the Name that remains eternally, by saying ‘I AM’ [Yahweh/Jehavéh], referring to Himself as the Kodhesh [Holy One] of Ishrael; ‘the living Word that became flesh’. By writing the word(s) "I.e.sus" Pilate did not write a name nor a substitute(or false) name to the Lamb, because he and his wife considered the Lamb to be a righteous one. [For his wife sent to him, saying: Have thou nothing to do with that just man; for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him].


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The manuscripts of the New Testament were not written in Greek alone. Because it is known that the manuscripts of the Eternal Covenant were not addressed to the Greeks alone. Even when Paul addressed to the Romans and other nations, he said that he would rather speak just five words in his own language than to speak a language that would not be understood by the people of those nations.

The source which states that the "Greek came first, then the Latin", does also ignore the existence of an Ancient Latin that was the Roman Language, which in these days is called Italian.


The eternal words in the last book of the Scriptures attest that there is a spiritual war going on, which requires the use of heavy spiritual weapon[the Scriptures as originally written] and the shield of the Holy Spirit [the shield is found in the Books of the Prophets, and of the Psalms, and of the Law of the Testimony].


The false prophet[theology] has kept the bizarre habit of stating that "the Greek came first, then the Latin",

But there is a spiritual purpose for stating that, a purpose proceeding from the doctrinal image that the habitants of the earth have made for the beast and its bestiae's spiritual ministry:

That the "Greek transliteration for IESUS" should be stated as being the true origin of the word IESUS,

For without the falseness that is called "Greek transliteration for IESUS" and "Greek version for the word IESUS", then, the same false prophet[theology] and the second beast[the second doctrine; that Protests in the presence of the first one] would have to admit that its worship is made through a doctrinal image of the first one[Catholicism].

In other words, by keeping the Greek transliteration for IESUS as being the true origin of the word IESUS, it gives legitimacy to the use of the man's name[jesus] that proceeds from the old Version[IESVS] which belongs to the first beast[doctrine upon which sits the "holy" Mother prostitute-church; the Babilonic Mother of the prostitutions of souls and beliefs and abominations of the Earth.

As it was quoted before:

It is not a question of “word jesus, nor any word spoken by the mouth”.

It is a question of TO KEEP the Eternal Words in the Instruction of the LAMB, Who said that all the earth would be amazed after the beast[imposed doctrine]; and that the name proceeding from the beast would be a man’s name, instead of Yahweh’s Name.

– world day of non-disturbance of peace mass – while pope speaks – camera men scan inside uppermost part basilica i.e. called Petrvs – camera does film Latin words where old version name IESVS – form with V accurately viewed not with U – thread panel as wide extensive strap covers all edges inside basilica – size each letter causes amazed view – deep into panel old version name seems gilded –


name proceeding from ‪bestiae: Iesus Kristus


KRISTVS IESVS – pair of six is encountered – VI, VI

KRISTVS IESVS – six more – SEI


name proceeding from ‪bestiae in the Hebrew reading sequence:


SVTSIRK SVSEI – pair of six is encountered – VI, VI


SVTSIRK SVSEI – six more – SEI


Mixed Trine of Roman Algarisms and Roman Number: VI, VI, SEI


Numbers in Roman-Italian Language: uno, due, tre, quattro, cinque, sei, sette


Had the apostles called the lamb by the NAME OF YAHWEH [YAH-ÓSHUA/JEH-ÓSHUA which means I AM the Salver/Mediation],
or did they call the lamb by a man’s name [Iesus/KRISTVS IESVS]?


He/she that hath the understanding,
let him/her count the number of the beast.
For it is the number of a man’s name;
and the number of the beast is 6, 6, 6
[VI, VI, SEI].


Hebrew numeric value for the word SVS [i.e. horse in Hebrew]

Sameq 6,0 - Vav 6 - Sameq 6,0


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Crazy Diamond

Roger,

I'm just retrieving the "s" to your name, Pearse


The edit button is not always accessible in these days.

Julian

Of all the crackpot theories we get here, this one ranks right up there. Crazy Diamond, no one here is going to take your nonsense seriously. Please study some history and languages.

Julian

Crazy Diamond

Hello,

What do you mean by using the term "to take seriously"?

If it means "to believe" then he/she would be applying his/her "beliefs" instead of understanding and discernment.

I do not "believe" in the Scriptures. I remain in the Scriptures.

I do not have faith. I remain in the Scriptures not by faith, but by discernment, deduction, and understanding to know that the words "faith" and "believe", were placed in the Versions of the Scriptures in order to substitute the words "Fidelity" and "Remain".

The eternal words do not say: you will "believe" the truth and your belief in the truth will..

For the Truth is not a belief, but a knowledge: You will know the truth, and that knowlege, that discernment of the truth will set you free.

The Scriptures are not a religion, but spiritual knowledge.

Knowledge requires understanding, discernment, deduction, not the "I think, therefore I think that I am",

and not the "I believe, therefore I'm saved!" - "help my unbelieve!". - Evvrrr ybody can have his/her own personal jesus!, all that one needs to do is to believe!!

That one believe in jesus!! - That another one believe that jesus carried a Roman cross and therefore fulfilled the Roman law!!

if there is a horn in a horse's head..wouldn't it end up being an 'unicorn' then? - .. - Yes! - aleluuuia!, for everything is possible if you believe!!.. ..Believe, believe, believe!!..



THE CORN GRAIN And The MUSTARD SEED Versus THE BIRDS


According to the Scriptures, those that came to be healed by the lamb [the Word that became flesh] have been saying:

- Adonai, if you do want, and if it is your will, you can heal me.

And what were the words that the lamb said to them?


ANSWER I., According to the Scriptures as originally written without the spiritual reverence to the numbers of verses and chapters:

- If you keep FIDELITY.. [to YAHWEH/JEHAVÉH] - which means: - If you REMAIN..


The eternal words request FIDELITY which means to remain eternally: in TOTAL FIDELITY to YAHWEH of the Hosts for the rest of your life.


[The Answer I. brings up the translation of the Roman word FEDELTÀ (Fidelity) - FIDELITY requests a time of permanence to remain loyal: an Eternal Time,

unlike the word "faith" which can be just for a moment; temporary]


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ANSWER II. that is according to the "Versions" of the Reality:

- If you believe..; If you have faith.. (Latin word fides)


******* What answer is the legitimate and True one?

Non-complex Solution:


The legitimate and True one is the Answer that has something to do with the PARABLE, spiritually encrypted, OF A MUSTARD SEED.


Decrypting the mustard seed//



1. phrimmi./INITIATE - cast the mustard seeds all over a fertile land.


2. seqüenti./GIVE SEQUENCE – by the continuation of the fence, some birds know that you are casting a lot of seed, and the birds go there to follow the sequence of seeds,


..to be continued.


3. términus. – EXTERMINATE – The birds came just to eat the sequence of seeds.


Shall the mustard seed REMAIN,

Or:

Shall the mustard seed be exterminated?


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continuing.. ..the birds were going there to follow the sequence of seeds,

and the birds started to speak to one another:


- where is the corn grain there man? and the cereals?

- Hey this is not corn grain!

- why to hide the corn grain for?

- Is that a real seed, I mean, is that a type of smallest seed, or is that our beak that were enlarged?


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½. Mediatus. – MEDIATE – The mustard seed shall remain because it is attested by eternal words,

"if you keep Fidelity that remain like unto a mustard seed.."


also, there's no bird that can grasp that seed even using the extremity of the bill/beak.

And the legitimate/true Answer that was asked above is the Answer I.


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