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Amaleq13 · 03-06-2009, 08:17 AM

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Not when you take into account the fact that he only relatively recently changed his position to mythicism.

He has? Do tell.

:huh: You linked to the post in which he announced the change! :banghead:

Amaleq13 · 03-06-2009, 08:25 AM

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I was asking you to clarify your statement: He has made his own position quite clear, and will presumably endeavor to substantiate it. Is there some ideological reason for you not to want to do so?

Just to clarify the confusion, spin, you had a partial quote attributed to Toto (who made a very similar statement) along with a half-tagged, unattributed quote of the statement-in-question. My first reading of the post had me thinking you were responding to Toto's statement. I've since gone back and removed the extraneous quote while adding in the originally intended attribution.

No Robots · 03-06-2009, 08:38 AM

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:huh: You linked to the post in which he announced the change! :banghead:

Yeah, the post I linked to was Richard Carrier's anouncement that he has converted to mythicism. So, that is his position then.

No Robots · 03-06-2009, 08:49 AM

That post was from 2005, btw. When Amaleq13 said that Carrier had changed his position "relatively recently", I thought he meant something more recent than that.

spin · 03-06-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by spin

I was asking you to clarify your statement: He has made his own position quite clear, and will presumably endeavor to substantiate it. Is there some ideological reason for you not to want to do so?

Just to clarify the confusion, spin, you had a partial quote attributed to Toto (who made a very similar statement) along with a half-tagged, unattributed quote of the statement-in-question. My first reading of the post had me thinking you were responding to Toto's statement. I've since gone back and removed the extraneous quote while adding in the originally intended attribution.

Thanks for that. What I had failed to do was wrap the Toto quote inside the No Robots comment attached to it,

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He is providing a professional historian's evaluation of the evidence, and has not committed to any particular result.

He has made his own position quite clear, and will presumably endeavor to substantiate it.

What position is that?

It was just an effort to make the continuity of discussion clear.

spin

andrewcriddle · 03-06-2009, 11:50 AM

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Hi Andrew

Well then you were deceived too. Because there was no "agreement". Instead it was a dictate that was superimposed upon something that was actually useful: The celebration of winter solstice (It was on the 25th before the calendar changed).

FWIW there is rather little evidence of a pre-Christian festival of the winter solstice on the 25th of December.

Andrew Criddle

rlogan · 03-06-2009, 04:44 PM

You mean like stonehenge.

fatpie42 · 03-06-2009, 07:15 PM

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FWIW there is rather little evidence of a pre-Christian festival of the winter solstice on the 25th of December.

Andrew Criddle

Of course, because Yule Log celebrations were a wholly Christian affair and absolutely nothing to do with pre-existing pagan traditions.... :huh:

youngalexander · 03-06-2009, 11:47 PM

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FWIW there is rather little evidence of a pre-Christian festival of the winter solstice on the 25th of December.

Andrew Criddle

I am planning a little trip to North America next year, staying at Placid Lake where I notice that there is a small village 15km north called North Pole. Santa's Workshop is located there - amongst the many attractions is a nativity scene featuring a wise-man wearing chainmail.

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Mail was invented some time in the mid 1st millennium BC. It may have been invented independently in East Asia and in Europe... It is believed that the Roman Republic first came into contact with mail fighting the Gauls in Cisalpine Gaul, now Northern Italy.

So you see Andrew, it all adds up ...:huh:

GakuseiDon · 03-07-2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

FWIW there is rather little evidence of a pre-Christian festival of the winter solstice on the 25th of December.

Andrew Criddle

Of course, because Yule Log celebrations were a wholly Christian affair and absolutely nothing to do with pre-existing pagan traditions.... :huh:

The question is Dec 25 as the celebration date for the winter solstice, not the existence of winter solstice celebrations themselves. When was Yule celebrated?

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03-06-2009, 08:49 AM	#44
No Robots Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 5,679	That post was from 2005, btw. When Amaleq13 said that Carrier had changed his position "relatively recently", I thought he meant something more recent than that.

03-06-2009, 04:44 PM	#47
rlogan Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,159	You mean like stonehenge.

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