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Old 05-03-2006, 04:22 AM   #11
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To prove that psychology is a science we ought to be able to provide examples of psychological laws.

Weber's Law is one psychological law.

Others psychological laws exist, including laws of learning derived from behavioral research (rat psychology), but we ought to organize them into a body of information inre psychological laws and the experiments using the scientific method which justify those laws.

I have provided a series of posts which provide a description of what is a science, what is the Code of Science, and a basis for an operational definition of psychlogy as the science of the mind including operational definitions of, and observable data for, the concepts of mind, desire(s), fear(s), and priority(ies) necessary for an understanding of the operational definition of mind.

In Post #70 I have proposed that introspection and inference are legitimate observations inre S->O->R sequences because they are indirect observations of the desires/fears/priorities within the O that prompt the R to the S; and I have shown that indirect observations are legitimate in science--the indirect observations of black holes being a necessary example from the science of physics.

I propose that within this thread, or by starting another, those interested proving that psychology is a science can propose information and sources and experiments inre psychological laws.
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Old 05-03-2006, 04:45 AM   #12
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To prove that psychology is a science we ought to be able to provide examples of psychological laws.

Weber's Law is one psychological law.

Others psychological laws exist, including laws of learning derived from behavioral research (rat psychology), but we ought to organize them into a body of information inre psychological laws and the experiments using the scientific method which justify those laws.
Not sure about this. I don't think biological sciences lend themselves to laws, just heuristics. Weber's Law isn't really a law, just a heuristic. There are too many variables in biological sciences for anything with the clarity of a law.

I'm sticking with the simple one: psychology is a science because as a discipline it includes the generation of theories from which can be derived testable (falsifiable) hypotheses, and the testing of those hypotheses. But we don't tend to end up with laws - just more pieces of a puzzle that can never be completed.
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Alright now Bob, 11 posts in a row has crossed the line into spam.
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To prove that psychology is a science we ought to be able to provide examples of psychological laws.

Weber's Law is one psychological law.

Others psychological laws exist, including laws of learning derived from behavioral research (rat psychology), but we ought to organize them into a body of information inre psychological laws and the experiments using the scientific method which justify those laws.
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Not sure about this. I don't think biological sciences lend themselves to laws, just heuristics. Weber's Law isn't really a law, just a heuristic. There are too many variables in biological sciences for anything with the clarity of a law.

I'm sticking with the simple one: psychology is a science because as a discipline it includes the generation of theories from which can be derived testable (falsifiable) hypotheses, and the testing of those hypotheses. But we don't tend to end up with laws - just more pieces of a puzzle that can never be completed.
Are we discussing psychology or biology?

Weber's Law is a Psychological Law, a Law of Psychology.

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Psychophysics

Perhaps the oldest area of experimentation in psychology examines the relationship between stimuli, such as light and sound, and conscious experience. This area is termed psychophysics ... .

Weber's Law. The earliest formulation of a psychophysical relationship is considered to be Weber's Ratio or Weber's Law, after E. H. von Weber, its formulator. According to Weber's Law, the noticeability of a change in stimulus strength depends on the level of magnitude (power) of the stimulus before the change. Expressed as a ratio, Weber's function says that

∆I/I = k

of the change in stimulus intensity (∆I) divided by the background intensity (I) is equal to a constant value [(k)].

Loosely translated, this means that for a given sensory system (vision, touch, etc.), a noticeable change in the intensity of a stimulus must be proportional to ... the already-present stimulus intensity. [Ann L. Weber, Introduction to Psychology, Harper-Collins, 1991, p. 57.]
When heuristic is defined by various sources, ...

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adj : of or relating to or using a general formulation that serves to guide investigation [ant: algorithmic] n : a commonsense rule (or set of rules) intended to increase the probability of solving some problem [syn: heuristic rule, heuristic program]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristics

A heuristic is a particular technique of directing one's attention in learning, discovery, or problem-solving. It is originally derived from the Greek "heurisko" ... the verb from which Archimedes's famous exclamation of "eureka" was derived), which roughly means "I found". The term was introduced in the 4th century AD by Pappus of Alexandria.

Lexical note: The name of the topic is heuristic (not "heuristics"); a particular technique of directing your attention toward discovery is a heuristic, two or more of these are heuristics, and the adjective for "pertaining to how something is discovered" is heuristic.

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In psychology, heuristics are simple, efficient rules of thumb which have been proposed to explain how people make decisions, come to judgments and solve problems, typically when facing complex problems or incomplete information. These rules work well under most circumstances, but in certain cases lead to systematic cognitive biases.
... then I do not connect Weber's Law with a particular technique of directing one's attention in learning, discovery, or problem-solving or a simple, efficient [rule] of thumb which [has] been proposed to explain how people make decisions, come to judgments and solve problems; instead, I view Weber's Law as a law of psychophysics.

I have proposed that those interested in compiling a body of psychological laws/laws of psychology, and not heuristics of psychology, present their proposals or findings in this thread or in a new thread.

Let's see who comes to the party and what they bring.
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Alright now Bob, 11 posts in a row has crossed the line into spam.
If you are joking, fine.

If you are not, then, instead of complaining, how about studying the concepts and principles which have been presented inre the specification of what is a science and what is psychology on the way to answering the question: Is psychology a science?

I presented all these posts to help people who are interested in the question: Is psychology a science? understand my point of view inre what is science and psychology, which has been long thought-out and researched, and requires extensive reading, learning, and consideration, and to provide answers to questions which would have been asked if I had presented much shorter and therefore simpler expositions.
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Are we discussing psychology or biology?

Weber's Law is a Psychological Law, a Law of Psychology.
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I view Weber's Law as a law of psychophysics.
I'm thinking of all that wetware.
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These posts were split from here. Carry on, those who dare.
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If you are joking, fine.

If you are not, then, instead of complaining, how about studying the concepts and principles which have been presented inre the specification of what is a science and what is psychology on the way to answering the question: Is psychology a science?
I don't think that's a joke. 11 posts has crossed the line into spam. It's so much obfuscated text that it's difficult to tell what your position even is. You might as well be copy-pasting from the post-modernism generator.
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I presented all these posts to help people who are interested in the question: Is psychology a science?
You have failed them. You have presented no clear, concise position. Do so first, then we can go back to making fun of your views on science and mathematics.
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