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mindaika · 01-25-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Weltall
Not only did the Egyptians and Chinese not notice when the world was covered in water, but apparently they also failed to notice that they didn't have any oxygen to breath once the waters receeded.

Or that the plants which would have all been compressed into paper this fossils had suddenly reappeared.

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Reporter: So your civilization was wiped out by a flood that covered the entire earth right? Why are you still around?
Egyptian: [Monty Python Voice] We got better.

They turned you into a newt?

mindaika · 01-25-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by Godless Wonder
My big question about the flood is this: supposing the flood is not meant to be taken literally, but meant to be taken figuratively. Ok, what does it mean then? What is the point of the story? Why is it in there?

Perhaps it was one of those fish stories, where each time it's told it gets bigger... Maybe there was actually a thunder storm in Noah's time, which caused him to remark to his children, "Heck, at this rate we may have to build us an ark and load up the cattle! Heh heh heh!"

Celsus · 01-26-2004, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by Weltall
Uh huh, suuuure. 6000 years to go from eight people to six billion? Thanks, but I'll cheerily ignore a story full of many such laughable claims.

Actually, the sheer numbers aren't that surprising. It took till around 1800 to reach the 1 billion mark, and 5 billion more in 200 years followed. Not that demographic trends prove anything if isolated from context.

Joel

Dean Anderson · 01-26-2004, 02:44 AM

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Originally posted by The Evil One
Tradition says that Noah's sons were black African (Ham), Middle Eastern (Shem) and white-Mediterranean (Japheth) and that the races of the world descend from them.

What that makes their Dad, I wouldn't like to say.

Cuckolded - and too obsessed with his model boat collection to notice...

Plognark · 01-26-2004, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Pervy Hobbit Fancier
Cuckolded - and too obsessed with his model boat collection to notice...

ROFLMAO

Has anyone actually done the math to determine how idiotic this story is? I sat down and calculated food and water volume requirements for a pair of elephants, assuming you put them on a 50% calorie and water intake restriction, and they alone came to take up about .4% of the volume of the boat...and that's if you stick them in a crate with less than a foot of clearance on either side, and that's if the boat was a perfect squared off shape, not rounded on the edges, and does not take into account any space for passages or living quarters or anything else.

I extrapolated from this the room required for various plant eathing dinosaurs, which are a LOT larger than elephants...you can see where it's heading... :banghead:

Godless Wonder · 01-26-2004, 06:30 AM

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Has anyone actually done the math to determine how idiotic this story is?

There's this: Problems with a Global Flood from talkorigins.org.

Amaleq13 · 01-26-2004, 06:55 AM

As I understand the field of population genetics, the human race requires a minimum of around 200 members in order to have a realistic chance of survival. A single pair or even four pairs is simply not sufficient so you will need yet another divine intervention to avoid the otherwise inevitable genetic meltdown.

Luckily, God is omnipotent so that is not a problem.

Magus55 · 01-26-2004, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by Plognark
Originally Posted by Pervy Hobbit Fancier
Cuckolded - and too obsessed with his model boat collection to notice...

ROFLMAO

Has anyone actually done the math to determine how idiotic this story is? I sat down and calculated food and water volume requirements for a pair of elephants, assuming you put them on a 50% calorie and water intake restriction, and they alone came to take up about .4% of the volume of the boat...and that's if you stick them in a crate with less than a foot of clearance on either side, and that's if the boat was a perfect squared off shape, not rounded on the edges, and does not take into account any space for passages or living quarters or anything else.

I extrapolated from this the room required for various plant eathing dinosaurs, which are a LOT larger than elephants...you can see where it's heading... :banghead:

And you are falsly assuming that the animals had to be adults. It would be more beneficial if babies or young animals were taken on the boat so they have a longer reproduction cycle after they got off.

Magus55 · 01-26-2004, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by Godless Wonder
There's this: Problems with a Global Flood from talkorigins.org.

I've read it, and those arguments aren't at all convincing. They are based on a lot of assumption, and since talk origin denies what the Bible actually says about how things happened, they assume it would have had to happen without God's involvement.

Godless Wonder · 01-26-2004, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
I've read it, and those arguments aren't at all convincing. They are based on a lot of assumption, and since talk origin denies what the Bible actually says about how things happened, they assume it would have had to happen without God's involvement.

Wow. Magus, it doesn't bother you the least bit that you've boxed your mind into such a corner that if you are wrong, you've left yourself no way to ever figure this out? You've closed your mind down like Fort Knox. That doesn't bother you?

edit: Oops. Sorry CX.

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01-26-2004, 06:19 AM	#25
Plognark Contributor Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14,952	Originally Posted by Pervy Hobbit Fancier Cuckolded - and too obsessed with his model boat collection to notice... ROFLMAO Has anyone actually done the math to determine how idiotic this story is? I sat down and calculated food and water volume requirements for a pair of elephants, assuming you put them on a 50% calorie and water intake restriction, and they alone came to take up about .4% of the volume of the boat...and that's if you stick them in a crate with less than a foot of clearance on either side, and that's if the boat was a perfect squared off shape, not rounded on the edges, and does not take into account any space for passages or living quarters or anything else. I extrapolated from this the room required for various plant eathing dinosaurs, which are a LOT larger than elephants...you can see where it's heading... :banghead:

01-26-2004, 06:55 AM	#27
Amaleq13 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 7,816	As I understand the field of population genetics, the human race requires a minimum of around 200 members in order to have a realistic chance of survival. A single pair or even four pairs is simply not sufficient so you will need yet another divine intervention to avoid the otherwise inevitable genetic meltdown. Luckily, God is omnipotent so that is not a problem.

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