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Old 11-09-2004, 12:26 AM   #31
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I have split out The abomination of un-Biblical marriage and The abomination of cross dressing.

Please keep this thread on topic, if there is anything more to say.
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Hope that I'm not stepping on your toes Toto, but in response to the original statement regarding Chistians and thier picking and choosing what they see as enforceable laws. My response to their "Oh but that was before Christ died for our sins." Is to follow with "Do you believe that Christ was God?" They of course will answer yes. Then when you ask them if thier God makes errors , they'll say no. Then you can ask them if God would have made ANY laws for man that he would later overturn, and if he did wouldn't he be acting in error, then you can strike with Luke 16:17, I believe it is, where Christ says his "not one tittle of the law" answer. They usually get very confused at this point esp. if you have a Bible handy, and SHOW them what it says.
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Old 11-10-2004, 05:48 AM   #33
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Hey folks - Tsurman won his debate - go to the last page of that thread.
Since it is no longer the last page of the thread and I had to search a bit myself, I thought it would be welcomed to have a link.
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As for divorce, a person is allowed to divorce (without committing adultery), and then remarry another if he/she finds another to marry, IF fornication (i.e., adultery) by the other spouse occurs. Marriage is meant to be "until death do us part," and is not meant to be taken lightly. Therefore, if one is not 100% sure that getting married is the thing to be doing, then he/she should not be getting married. Of course, if one does not believe in God or the Bible, then this can easily (or, conveniently) be "thrown out" and ignored.
Yes but with a 50% divorce rate in America(at least) I somehow doubt that all of those divorces are due to adultery.

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To help with this, I'll need some really stupid laws and the verses of said laws.
That's easy, just open the bible and point to something.

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You have to remember that views towards equality back then were quite a bit different than today, meaning laws had to be paraphrased based on the views of the time (including slavery, which was also viewed as normal at this time, and was even voluntary in some cases . . . those cases where it was not voluntary are ABUSES of slavery).
That's always the argument, well such and such was acceptable back then. But if the bible was inspired by a perfect and fair god you would think he would know that slavery was unnacceptable even back then. If anything verses like this proove to us who was making up the rules for what was acceptable and not acceptable, not a higher power who believed everyone was equal, but so called "prophets" and other creators of the bible who were basically bigots.

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Many Christians steal, commit adultery, kill, etc., just as many non-Christians do. Many Christian and non-Christian parents will tell their children not to use profanity or drink alcohol as they do these things right in front of their children. Do you think Christians are somehow super-human (above being human) beings?
No I don't but the part that annoys me is how they hold everyone else(non believers) up to this high standard but if one of their own does it, it's fine. Also when I see christians doing certain things like saying so and so is going to hell when their own book says that god is the only judge, I have to point out their hypocrisy. The way they pick and choose which laws to adhere to and which ones are just for history aggravates me. It would be one thing if they just minded their own business but this religion spreads like a disease and has promoted violence, hatred, sexism, and intolerance for centuries.
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That's easy, just open the bible and point to something.
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That's always the argument, well such and such was acceptable back then. But if the bible was inspired by a perfect and fair god you would think he would know that slavery was unnacceptable even back then. If anything verses like this proove to us who was making up the rules for what was acceptable and not acceptable, not a higher power who believed everyone was equal, but so called "prophets" and other creators of the bible who were basically bigots.
Of course, but even today there are some people who think slavery should be reinstated because of God's approval of it in the OT. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

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No I don't but the part that annoys me is how they hold everyone else(non believers) up to this high standard but if one of their own does it, it's fine. Also when I see christians doing certain things like saying so and so is going to hell when their own book says that god is the only judge, I have to point out their hypocrisy. The way they pick and choose which laws to adhere to and which ones are just for history aggravates me. It would be one thing if they just minded their own business but this religion spreads like a disease and has promoted violence, hatred, sexism, and intolerance for centuries.
Welcome to the club! :wave: Many of us here share your point of view about the extreme hypocrisy of Christians. Get used to the standard apologist view of "Well, they're notreal Christians."
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And of course, anytime they use the old "you have to understand that it was common practice at the time" argument means that they are saying that the culture defines what is moral.

Just ask them what things in today's culture should be "moral" because they are common now?
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good point!
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