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Old 04-12-2006, 09:29 PM   #41
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Think about it, we would be better off if there was no god.No god=we dont have to be slaves of a sadistic bastard, there is no hell,we dont have to rely on him for every thing,we dont have to worry about being smote every time we do something wrong,we dont have to rely on some absurd 3000(?) year old book to be our guide to life etc etc.If he is perfect and every thing came from him, that means there should be no evil
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Old 04-12-2006, 09:31 PM   #42
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Listen saved for god, there are many contradictions in the bible.
There is no contradictions. Take another look. See you are in a contradiction by contradicting yourself saying there is a contradiction, when you are shown to be wrong.

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Signs that the bible was not divinely inspired
These are signs the Bible was inspired.

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According to Nahum 1:3, clouds are actually not particles of water vapour in the atmosphere, they are dust kicked up by god's footprints.
The LORD [is] slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds [are] the dust of his feet. Where do the clouds come from? They come from the water vapor of volcanoes and small life forms that use to excrete oxygen. God was right, you are still wrong. His cause goes back farther than your cause. Isn't that amazing? All the scientific knowledge, and God reveals he is right, and scientifically this still alludes you because you don't know how to look at proper cause and effect like in the 4 Step Proof for God. Your pettiness is ruining you. The petty self comes from the sin nature.

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According to Job 37:2-3, thunder is not the rapid expansion of air caused by the intense heat of a lightning bolt, but the voice of god.
God created nature, so yes, God is the cause who created the laws as you mentioned. They didn't happen all by themselves. Don't be a dullard.

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According to Jeremiah 30:23, a tornado is not the product of a large weather system, but a weapon god uses to kill those who sin.
God creates the weather with foreknowledge of how it will impact man. Because you hate God, you think it has no cause and just happens all by itself. That's dumb.

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ccording to Isaiah 13:13 and Psalms 18:7, earthquakes are not the result of tectonic plate activity, but a weapon god uses against sinners when he is really pissed off.
These are not mutually exclusive. If you make an object, it doesn't deny you the use of it and its application. How silly and dullminded of you.

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According to Hosea 13:15 and Psalms 107:33-34, a river drying up is not the result of a dry season, but a sign that people near the river must have sinned.
This is God's foreknowledge. For example if you choose to live in a dangerous area and a sin stained area more than most, you will receive what happened in Florida and the Phillippnes in their massive sex trade of 12 year old girls. Your conscience is dead to the truth because you are going to hell.

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Likewise, according to Deuteronomy 28:22-24, drought is god's reaction to sinners living in the area.
That's correct through God's infinite foreknowledge.

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Other parts of the bible are just too stupid to have been divinely inspired, and almost certainly indicate the views of the (very human) author(s):
As we have seen so far your thought is stupid: the evil spirit in your spirit then would be the author of your confusion.

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According to Genesis 9:13-15, rainbows are god's way of reminding himself not to brutally slaughter everyone on earth again. (Kind of like the cosmic equivalent of tying a string around your finger, every time you look at it you say, "oh, yeah, I'm NOT supposed to drown almost every living thing on the planet!")
I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

It is not a token reminder, but His covenant promise for our peace of mind who love Him. This agrees with the 4 Step Proof of God's finding also. This gives me joy and peace, for this is God's love to us, not for Him. He knows this already, but He tells it to us to give us peace. See how you misread it? That's your flesh, the dumb old flesh in its fallen nature, its sinful nature and reviling hostility and hatred to your creator Jesus Christ. You're a bad person, and Jesus died you to save you from yourself and these dumb thoughts.

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One question - why would god need to be reminded of anything?
According to 1 Timothy 4:1-3 and Romans 14:2, vegetarians are weak-minded heathens who must worship other gods.
God doesn't need to be reminded. As you have seen, you misread it. Christians are not vegetarians. You misread something again. Don't be dumb.

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According to Judges 1:19, an army under god's direct command can be defeated by a group of iron chariots. Can you imagine god trying to justify this? "Well, I know I created the universe and all that, but come on, they have IRON chariots! Chariots made of actual IRON! I can't beat that!"
Initially, we can't be the large and strong Hitler, but eventually we do. Do you see how you misread it? Don't be a dullard.

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According to Acts 5:1-10, people who fail to give all their money to god shall be struck dead. Now this is just silly. What's god going to do with money? This must be the biblical equivalent of those annoying television evangelists: "please, send us money so we can spread the word of god..."
You totally read this verse. It says they lied about what they really gave. Don't give in false pretense is the message. Do you see how you sin against God's Word, and are always wrong because you are going to hell. You are going to hell because you want to go there.

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According to Leviticus 19:1, farmers who plant two kinds of seed in a single field anger god. Also, people who wear clothing made from more than one kind of material anger god. Why would god care what we wear?
Not verse 1, but verse 19. You got confused.

A wasteful crop of mixed products is wasteful, and God does not like wastefulness. Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Clothing is hard to come by so don't mix quality cloth with cloth for work. Don't be wasteful. This was the law, but we are not under th law today. The law showed that no man could keep the law because only Jesus could.

You should learn to ask the reason why? Instead of being a zombie for Satan.

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According to Deuteronomy 23:12-14, if you need to go to the bathroom, you should go outside the city, dig a hole, do your business, cover it up, and return to the city. Failure to do so will cause god to turn away from you. Hey god, if you find human waste offensive, why did you make us this way? Come to think of it, how could god find anything offensive?
Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad: And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:For the LORD thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee.
If you are unsanitary, and poop and pee in your own backyard, there will be infection and disease, which weakens the army. If you are always worrying about diseases, you don't have much strength to defend your nation from those nations that kill their own children like Islam in child sacrifices. Poop and pee is not a sin, you just mindlessly misread which shows why you are going to hell.
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Still other parts of the bible seem to have been inserted by governments or ruling parties - they seem designed to maintain control over all christians. Look at some examples:
Still you find no mistake with the Bible. These items below also don't show these items were inserted but were the doing of the Holy Spirit upon men and in the spirit of men received as revelation from God's 3rd Person.

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According to Romans 13:1-4 and Peter 2:13-14, you must obey the local goverment at all times, since they were placed there by god. Apparently, god hates rebellions. Riiiiight.
That's correct. Anarchy is a sin. Inordinate riots will destroy a nation in vanity. There is a time and place for everything. For example, riots in South America topped evil regimes, but guess what? They are right back again. It seems quite often though the intentions start off good the riots themselves destroy the nation and rampage through the streets destroying the very infastructure of the country. This has economically been proven the case. Don't be a dullard.

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According to Colossians 2:8, god doesn't want you to learn things outside the church. Riiiight.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

This doesn't say don't learn anything outside the church. It says placing philosophy and vain deceit above God, after men's false traditions and rudiments of the worldliness, and not as the source being the truth in Christ.

You don't get embarrased by being a dullard because you are already condemned by God (John 3.18).

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I know you have always been told by your parents that the bible is 100% right and never question it, but you need to relize that part of growing up is learning to think critiacally, and learning to think for yourself. You continue to span on all these boards, but your posts are empty, and do not reflect and real information. The "proofs" you produce are circular in nature and have already been disproven in the past. You need to stop your trolling, or you may end up banned.
My parents have always told me that the Bible was not true. I didn't get saved until my 30's. Still noone in my relatives that I know of is saved. God called me out. Part of growing up is asking WHY, not overassuming. You are spamming my threads because you are going to hell as we have seen. Because you are hellbound, you spam. Your thought is mindless and empty, dead and cold. It is without love and truth. Jesus died for you and you call Him a liar. This makes you a bad person. It reflects upon you. There is no circularity to the Proof for God. If there was you would have shown it by now. The 4 Step Proof has never been disproven. Still waiting. Please don't troll my threads anymore. You should troll other threads either. They may ban me just like Jesus was murdered and millions of Christians have been put to death. Same reason. Hate and hostility to the love of God shown through His children. You sound jealous.
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Old 04-12-2006, 09:32 PM   #43
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Don't be narcisistic by shutting your down finding no fault with the Proof but still rejecting the truth.
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Old 04-12-2006, 09:33 PM   #44
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My forum is running perfectly. It is unique. No more of those that disagree with the Elders than would agree. This way we have agreement and not confusion.
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Old 04-12-2006, 09:35 PM   #45
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Hold your councils of hostility as were held against men like Philip who was put to death like you put to death John the baptist, James the brother of John and Stephen. Stephen addressed the council truthfully, and they killed him (Acts 7). You can't kill me, but you can ban me.
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You're just self centered you make you the center of the universe.
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Notice even now in your own words you don't know how to find the words to find fault with the Proof. In fact, you never even try to. Don't be a dullard.
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Old 04-12-2006, 09:39 PM   #48
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Mageth,

There is nothing in the OT that says Jesus could not be God. If that was so you could show it. 62 prophecies were fulfilled by Jesus. The probabilities scientists calculate this could happen is less than 1 in 1 trillion.
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Astreja,

Jesus is clearly proven by not only by the Word but by writers in the first century whose documents have been preserved talked about in Rome and Israel.

And Jesus proved to be God. In the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, he talks with the author of the Verdict for Christ, which notes 100 references in 37 documents, of which 24 talk about His divinity, and 7 of 24 are secular.

Nothing in antiquity is better recorded. There are over 5000 manuscripts, and men of God were murdered for the truth because of the shedding of the blood of Christ. Men are jealous, and so there will also be many lies such as all the extra books that don't agree with the 66 books.
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Jesus lied.

John 7:8,10"Go to the feast yourselves,I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet come. So saying he remained in Galilee. But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private."

Note that Jesus said without qualification, that he was NOT going up to the feast.

Titus 1:2...which God, who never lies, promised ages ago
Jesus just said he is not going to the feast because it is not the right time.

6 Jesus replied, "Now is not the right time for me to go. But you can go anytime, and it will make no difference. 7 The world can't hate you, but it does hate me because I accuse it of sin and evil. 8 You go on. I am not yet ready to go to this festival, because my time has not yet come." 9 So Jesus remained in Galilee.

Why does your petty self misreading? It is because it is infused with sin, sin that will cause you not only to die, but to enter into the second death which is called hell. You will be resurrected to go to hell. That is your present course.

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Arguing is your problem, with a poisoned spirit of dissension causing you to misread mindlessly.

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God never lies

Jesus lied
Jesus never lied. God never lies.

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Therefore Jesus is not God
Therefore, Jesus is God, since He is the only man who never lied.

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Lying is a sin

Jesus lied
Jesus never lied, but He makes a liar out of you.

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Jesus is not sinless.

If Jesus is not sinless, then by your own argument he cannot be the Saviour of the world.
Jesus remains sinless. Since He remains true, He is still GOd.

Wow!
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