fitter

Sorry, I thought I had made that clear, but even if I agree with a quotation I still think I should be allowed to quote it, otherwise how can I explain my idea? This is what they are trying to do to these Christian scholars- stop them from explaining ideas about the Dead Sea Scrolls in museums.

And, as an amateur who finds these anti-Christian statements fascinating - and wrong,- it would be good to know why my reasons are "incoherent."

Toto

OK fitter,

This argument can only be a parody of a real argument. The DSS are Jewish documents, and the percentage of Jews involved in the academic study of the area is greater than 3%. But no one has ever claimed that the museum should find speakers based on a numerical percentage of any sort, much less the general population.

A university that is entirely Christian does not have to hire non-Christians. (There is an explicit exemption for religous employers in the laws against discrimination.) There are very few such restrictive universities, and I don't think any of them are involved in the subject matter of this thread.

It might or might not be. But it generally reflects a Christian view that gentile Christians replaced Jews as the chosen people. Secularists find this whole line of thought, that some humans are favored by a tribal god over others, to be rather primitive.

I don't think it is. I think that the brief in support of the Motion to Dismiss is rather over the top in trying to draw an analogy between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the Jewish War. But I don't think that whatever you call it has anything to do with reconciliation between Jews and Christians.

I still don't think you are expressing a coherent argument here. Do you think that charges of anti-Semitism are somehow anti-Christian? Are you trying to consruct some parallel argument to Charles Gadda's charges of anti-Semitism?

Toto

The substantive discussion of Qumran typography has been given its own thread here

fitter

Wow, it took me a while to find this thread again. Been away for a few days. I agree with some of what you say. This article makes my point clear:

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/false3141515.shtml

It could not have been put better:

This is exactly my point. It would be another matter if someone argued that the Romans were justified in destroying the Jews. But it is not proper to call a neutral, fair position between Jews and Romans "intellectual anti-Semitism."

What I cannot understand is your idea that somehow I was doing "parody" with my point about the percentage of Jews. What kind of humor do you see there? I take this thing seriously. More Christians than Jews have been involved in Dead Sea Scrolls scholarship ever since the Scrolls were discovered, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.

In fact, you will probably find that percentage-wise, there are far more than 3% Jews involved in studying the Scrolls, and one of them is an Orthodox teacher who filed a police complaint against another Jew because of a plagiarism scandal. That doesn't necessarily speak well for Jewish research.

manwithdream

I think Dr. Cargill is wrong if he thinks Golb's accusations of anti-semitism will hurt Dr. Cargill's career. No one will believe those accusations. Strugnell actually insulted Judaism if I remember correctly, so his career was ruined, but no one has any proof of anti-semitism by Dr. Cargill. I think his feelings are hurt because of this false accusation, but he shouldn't worry about it at all.

XKV8R

thanx manwithdream, i appreciate the comment. and it's not as much about hurt feelings as it is about addressing falsehoods immediately and squarely. this particular accusation can fester in our field of study, and raphael golb is using the motions to dismiss that he is filing as a part of his defense in the criminal case against him to further attack his earlier victims. prolly not the smartest defense technique (attack the victims more), but hey, it's his defense.

i've listed all of the motions filed in the case at http://www.who-is-charles-gadda.com#legal_filings


and a few questions for fitter:

1) please describe, as you understand it, the difference between anti-semitisim and intellectual anti-semitism?

2) why did you link to my bible and interpretation article?

3) why have you suddenly joined this forum and taken such an interest in the defense of raphael golb?

bc

mountainman

Do you think he is not entitled to a defence or interest?

Who are "the hegemony of stubborn elites who previously monopolized the channels of publication. "? [quoting Norman Golb]

How are you related to this hegemony Doc?



What's this "himself (or herself)" ambivalence doing in the intro?

Johnny Skeptic

Aside from the issue of whose scholarship is best regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls, some of Raphael's Golb's tactics are wrong, and probably illegal. Stealing someone's identity in order to promote scholarship is detestible.

Jeffrey Gibson

And I'll ask flat out: You are Raphael's brother Joel, aren't you.

If you are doing this at your brother's instigation and behest, then you are involved, I believe, in by proxy communication.

Jeffrey

mountainman

There are always -- at least -- three sides to any coin.


Have you heard of Eusebius Johnny?