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mountainman · 11-01-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamera

So we would expect, following the MM theory that there was a "pristine" Origen, whose writings were devoid of NT references. Yet we never find such manscripts.

On the contrary, examine the references earlier provided.
We are told by Rufinus that such manuscripts were indeed extant.

This text of Rufinus, in located his Epilogue to Pamphilus the
Martyr's Apology for Origen, Otherwise the Book Concerning
the Adulteration of the Works of Origen. Addressed to Macarius
at Pinetum a.d. 397.

We are told by Rufinus that Origen himself wrote a letter
complaining that the heretics were altering his work while
he lived. Have a look at that letter, it is included in the
above text. What a sorry state of affairs!

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So the MM theory assumes the following options:

(a) either the Constantine hitmen got lucky, and the pristine writings of Origen were all lost, so that we can't show the MM theory is false, or

(b) the Constantine police hunted down and destroyed every extant pristine ms of Origen, over a far flung empire, at a time when it was a big deal to sail from Rome to Alexandria, and despite there lack of technological tools, they hunted down and destroyed every pristine Origen mss, in every library and every dresser drawer throughout the Empire.

Is that a fair rendition of your assumptions?

It is actually quite fair, thanks for the paraphrasing.

Your evidence rests with the testimony of Rufinus, the purported
historian of ecclesiastical issues, who openly admits that the works
of Origen were all around the empire, in a state of disarray, because
the "arian heretics" had perverted his doctrine.

How could Rufinus now translate the extant works of Origen into
the Latin having discovered these perversions sitting there, right
in front of his eyes, in the greek texts pf Origen? Well, he obviously
made strategic corrections to the texts, and thus the doctrines
of Origin such that they were harmonised with what Origen actually
really really meant to have written.

Pete Brown

mountainman · 11-02-2006, 04:41 AM

Mainstream (Eusebian) Chronology
--------------- vs -----------------
An Alternative Chronology of Antiquity

Any comments on the presentation, the data, etc
would be appreciated.

Pete

11-02-2006, 04:41 AM	#42
mountainman Contributor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Falls Creek, Oz. Posts: 11,192	Mainstream (Eusebian) Chronology vs Alternative Chronology Mainstream (Eusebian) Chronology --------------- vs ----------------- An Alternative Chronology of Antiquity Any comments on the presentation, the data, etc would be appreciated. Pete

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