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Toto · 11-04-2010, 07:40 PM

But - Publication Date December 2011 !!

'Is this not the Carpenter?' The Question of the Historicity of the Figure of Jesus Edited by: Thomas L. Thompson, Thomas S. Verenna

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Introduction: Thomas L. Thompson and Thomas Verenna

Into the Well of Historical Jesus Scholarship

1. Roland Boer (University of Newcastle) – The German Pestilence: Re-assessing Feuerbach, Strauss and Bauer

2. Jim West (Quartz Hill School of Theology) – A Very, Very Short Introduction to Minimalism

3. Lester L. Grabbe (University of Hull) – “Jesus Who is Called Christ”: References to Jesus Outside Christian Sources

4. Niels Peter Lemche (University of Copenhagen) – The Grand Inquisitor and Christ: Why the Church Doesn’t Want Jesus

5. Emanuel Pfoh (PhD student) – Jesus and the Mythic Mind: An Epistemological Problem

Paul and Early Christianity: Historical and Exegetical Investigations

6. Robert M. Price (Johnnie Colemon Theological Seminary) – Does the Christ Myth Theory Require an Early Date for the Pauline Epistles?

7. Mogens Müller (University of Copenhagen) – Paul: The Oldest Witness to the Historical Jesus

8. Thomas S. Verenna – Born Under the Law: Intertextuality and the Question of the Historicity of the Figure of Jesus in Paul’s Epistles

The Rewritten Bible and the Life of Jesus

9. James Crossley (University of Sheffield) – Can John's Gospel Really Be Used to Reconstruct a Life of Jesus? An Assessment of Recent Trends and a Defence of a Traditional View

10. Thomas L. Thompson – Psalm 72 and Mark 1:12-13: Mythic Evocation in Narratives of the Good King

11. Ingrid Hjelm (University of Copenhagen) “Who is my Neighbor?” Implicit Use of Old Testament Stories and Motifs in Luke’s Gospel

12. Joshua Sabih (University of Copenhagen) – Born Isa and Baptized Jesus: The Quranic Narratives about Isa

13. K. L. Noll (Brandon University) – Investigating Earliest Christianity Without Jesus

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Doug Shaver · 11-05-2010, 06:18 AM

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But - Publication Date December 2011 !!

Bummer. But it looks worth waiting for.

I'll be especially interested in Price's "Does the Christ Myth Theory Require an Early Date for the Pauline Epistles?" It has always seemed to me that although the conventional dating of Paul supports mythicism, a later date would not do historicism a bit of good. On the current evidence, I see no way to make the gospels more reliable by making Paul less reliable.

aa5874 · 11-05-2010, 02:39 PM

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But - Publication Date December 2011 !!

'Is this not the Carpenter?' The Question of the Historicity of the Figure of Jesus Edited by: Thomas L. Thompson, Thomas S. Verenna......

But, Origen answered the question over 1500 years ago.

"Against Celsus" 6.36

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...in none of the Gospels current in the Churches is Jesus Himself ever described as being a carpenter..

Toto · 11-06-2010, 12:52 PM

Another blog comment

youngalexander · 11-07-2010, 01:55 AM

Crickey & Gor-Blimmey!

Rook to Queen-Pawn?:huh:

Toto · 12-09-2010, 10:07 PM

A sample chapter

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Mark’s story brings together two central but distinct sayings of Jesus, each of which has a significant, thematically driven, sub-motif. The first embodies our title: “Is this not the carpenter?” with its subordinate leitmotif of hands doing wonders, significantly emphasized in the story’s conclusion wherein hands are laid on some of the sick to heal them. ...

One does well to consider, here, how the scene, with its pivotal motifs of the craftsman and his wonderful hands, readily evokes the figure of the Greek god, Hephaestus,[2] who was the god of craftsmen, who, himself, had forged the magnificent equipment of the gods and almost any finely-wrought metalwork imbued with powers that appears in Greek myth. He too was—though crippled by Zeus—strong-armed. According to Hesiod’s Theogony, he was born of the virgin goddess Hera[3] (though he is also described as the son of Zeus and Hera by Homer[4] and indeed, in later tradition, the son of the Cretan sun god, Talus5). Does the question about the carpenter identify Jesus as a Jewish Hephaestus?6 Within biblical tradition, a comparable figure can be recognized in the craftsman, Besal’el, who, like Jesus, is both filled with divine wisdom and the ability to create wonderful things with his hands (Ex 31.1-11; 35.30-39.43; 1Chron 2.20; 2Chron 1.5). ...

avi · 12-10-2010, 05:59 AM

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Within biblical tradition, a comparable figure can be recognized in the craftsman, Besal’el, who, like Jesus, is both filled with divine wisdom and the ability to create wonderful things with his hands...{emphasis avi}

But, why does an omnipotent being need hands? Does not the old testament teach that God need only blink his eye, to cause entire civilizations to vanish? Did not God, according to Judaism, create the entire universe, without using his hands?

avi

Toto · 12-10-2010, 07:26 AM

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Within biblical tradition, a comparable figure can be recognized in the craftsman, Besal’el, who, like Jesus, is both filled with divine wisdom and the ability to create wonderful things with his hands...{emphasis avi}

But, why does an omnipotent being need hands? Does not the old testament teach that God need only blink his eye, to cause entire civilizations to vanish? Did not God, according to Judaism, create the entire universe, without using his hands?

avi

This is only an explanation for creation, or natural disasters. It does not provide enough explanation for ordinary events. It does not provide enough dramatic tension for a satisfying story.

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