jgreen44

Could it be that during the time of Daniel the Jews were not yet sufficiently Hellenized to turn a mortal man into a god?

ApostateAbe

It is certainly possible, but not probable, because the authentic letters of Paul do give a small handful of indications that Jesus was a human being who recently lived, preached, ate, drank, was crucified by Jewish authorities, was buried, and was resurrected. Those who take seriously Doherty's theory typically deal with these passages by claiming odd interpretations (a merely spiritual crucifixion) or interpolations.

aa5874

But, people claiming to see Elvis after he died at a gas station was not the criteria used the determine that Elvis was a real person.

The actual history of Elvis is irrelevant to people seeing him at gas stations.

However, if you do not see Jesus in a NON-historical state perhaps in the third heaven, you will never see him or his actual history.

Perhaps you will only see an empty tomb as evidence for Jesus or just the gas station alone. Nothing else.

aa5874

And when the Jews were sufficiently Hellenised they deified a false prophet and a blasphemer.

Please tell me another joke.

And, by the way we have the writings of Philo a Jew from Alexandria, possibly a Hellenised Jew, and he was on an Embassy to Gaius and was selected by Jews in Alexandria, to argue against the worship of men as Gods and placing effigies and statues at Jewish places of worship.

And in "On the Embassy to Gaius" by Philo it can be found that Gaius the Emperor claimed or wrote in a letter that only the Jews, of all the nations of the world, that did NOT deify him or worship him as a God.

It is most contradictory, absurd and theologically idiotic that when Jews were sufficiently Hellenised they deified a blasphemer and a false prophet while at the same time told other sufficiently Hellenised Jews not to worship men as Gods.

Chaucer

Indeed --

Galatians 1 - 19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord's brother.

Galatians 4 - 4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,
5 to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons.

Romans 1 - 3 regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,

1 Corinthians 2 - 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1 Corinthians 7 - 10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.

1 Corinthians 9 - 5 Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas?

1 Corinthians 9 - 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

1 Corinthians 11 - 23 The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread,
24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me."
25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

1 Thessalonians 4 - 15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

Phillipians 2 - 5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross!

Chaucer

gdeering

Who does not hate the poor Mythicist? In the words of Handel*

Mythicists are despised and rejected of men; an online loose knit group with sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from Mythicists; they are despised, and they publish not.

Mythicists have "0" to do with Preterists. Can one be an atheist Preterist?


Gregg



* actually Charles Jennens, Handel's Librettist, but it's so much nicer to think of anonymous midrash! Slightly altered.

aa5874

The making of a MYTH by a Pauline writer.

1. Jesus was in very nature God .

2. Jesus was equal to God.

3. Jesus made himself nothing.

4. Jesus took on the nature of a servant

5.Jesus then took on the appeance of a man.

6. Jesus suffered on the cross.

7. Jesus died.

8. God exalted Jesus and made him Lord of all in heaven, earth and under the earth.


Philippians 2.5-11

Chaucer

This reading is indistinguishable from the docetist.

Chaucer

aa5874

Not when it is an anti-docetist Canon.

The NT DOES NOT SUPPORT DOCETISM.

ApostateAbe

I don't think he quite gets it. Use your bold and underlined font.