mountainman

Around 165 CE Claudius Galen of Pergamon (130-200 CE) used the designation "therapeutae" to secure from Marcus Aurelius exception from military service.

Duvduv

Why does Stephan dislike MM so much? Is loneliness the issue, or is the issue easy and convenient internet access on smartphones that make communication virtually instantaneous wherever one is?

outhouse

False there is evidence as mentioned in the wiki article.




Could you provide more then imagination for evidence?


The Greek sect is known. But im not seeing a any knowledge on the sheer diversity of different sects in either Greek, or Hellenistic Judaism.

stephan huller

It seems apparent that ancient Greek was not one of the things you picked up during your recent sabbatical from this place:

θερα^π-ευτής , οῦ, ὁ
A. one who serves the gods, worshipper, θ. Ἄρεως, θεῶν, Pl.Phdr.252c, Lg.740c; ὁσίων τε καὶ ἱερῶν ib.878a; “τοῦ καλοῦ” Ph.1.261; οἱ θ. worshippers of Sarapis or Isis, UPZ8.19 (ii B.C.), IG11(4).1226 (Delos, ii B.C.); title of play by Diphilus, ib.2.992ii9; name of certain ascetics, Ph.2.471; θ. ὁσιότητος, of the followers of Moses, ib.177.
2. one who serves a great man, courtier, “οἱ ἀμφὶ τὸν πάππον θ.” X.Cyr.1.3.7.
II. one who attends to anything, c. gen., “σώματος” Pl.Grg.517e; “τῶν περὶ τὸ σῶμα” Id.R. 369d.
2. medical attendant, τῶν καμνόντων ib.341c.

The fact that you have found the word used in association with pagan gods is a big 'so what.' Please come back when you actually learn something.

It and related terms appear three times in Gregory of Nyssa's Encomium on the Martyrs - http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/pgm/PG_...tyres%20ii.pdf. What the hell is your point?

outhouse

I think someone needs to bone up on Hellenistic Judaism, and realize this term was very wide and diverse and often confusing lines existed on the use of the label Judaism in the first century.

mountainman

stephan huller

because this is senseless. imagine if pete had actually directed his efforts toward discovering what is actually there rather than making forced parallels

mountainman

Imagine?

Aelius Aristides mentions Asclepius therapeutae.



Voluntary Associations in the Graeco-Roman World (or via: amazon.co.uk) - By John S. Kloppenborg, Stephen G. Wilson

also via google books



Aelius Aristides at the Asclepieion of Pergamum

Archaeological data supplement the literary sources
on the Asclepieion of Pergamum, including the most
extensive one, Aelius Aristides' (117-180)' "Sacred Tales".

Therapeutae

Mention of "therapeutae" - "[temple] worshippers or servants"
Aelius Aristides writes:

"We Asclepius therapeutae must agree with the god
that Pergamum is the best of his sanctuaries."

--- Sacred Tales (39.5)


"Asclepius is the one who guides and rules the universe,
the saviour of the whole and the guardian of immortals,
or if you wish to put it in the words of a tragic poet,
"the steerer of government," he who saves that which
always exists and that which is in the state of becoming".

--- Aristides, Oratio 17.4 (Edelstein),
see also Oratio 23.15-18


Publius Aelius Aristides (c. 129-189) a sophist and rhetorician,
educated at Pergamum and Athens. Widely traveled in Egypt and
Asia Minor, arriving at Rome in 156. Spend most of his time
as a patient at the Asclepieum of Pergamum. A friend of Marcus Aurelius,
he became a priest of Asclepius (Aesculapius) at Smyrna. More than
fifty of his orations and declamations are extant.

outhouse

Wondeful quote mining. Hows about placing this in a proper context.

The key word here is Phantazomai !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aristides states in a vision does he see this group in the Asclepius temple. And claims he is one.

stephan huller

I really don't understand what your point is with this thread. The group called itself the therapeuts either because they 'attended' to sick people or 'attended' to God. It was a common Greek word. It's like if someone were to go through the internet archives in the future and decided to focus on your posts (let's say Pete of the future) and argued that because you call yourself 'mountainman' you must have been a mountain. Just grow up. This is not worth discussing.

Interestingly enough, the word 'mountain' in Aramaic is often used to denote a 'wise scholar.' Take some time off and learn a language.