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Machiavelli · 02-21-2006, 12:46 PM

Well, I have to say that I have found Christians to be a little more palatable in light of the recent Muslim issues. Abortion and Gay Marriage are much more acceptable issues to struggle with.

Welcom Spit....

Spitfire · 02-21-2006, 12:56 PM

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More importantly and usefully, you need to consider cogent reasons TO believe. To believe in something until you accept reasons not to believe it is backward. To do so means that you will be inclined to believe in every crackpot idea that comes along, including beliefs in ancient, makebelieve religions.

Even if what I do believe should actually turn out to be just another crackpot idea, the list of crackpot ideas I refused to believe in will be far longer by comparison despite my gullibility.

Spitfire · 02-21-2006, 01:10 PM

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So, Spitfire, who do you think is Christian?

I normally prefer to let my detractors worry about this sort of thing than get involved myself! But, since my answer to the first question you asked is a quite resounding "no," I suppose I sound in on the rest as well.

Anyone who claims to be? No!

Russian and/or Greek Orthodox? Yes.

Mainstream protestant churchpeople? I'll give them that much.

Mormons? Don't know them too well but psuedo-Christian at most I from what I understand.

JWs? Same as above.

7th Day Adventists? Yes, in their own weird way. As far as I know.

Just Catholics? If they believe in their hearts and don't just go through the motions. Not the only form of Christianity, but the original, to which every single other group owes its whole Christian frame of reference though some have opted to deviate further than others.

David B (is none of the above)If he believes in the divinity of Christ, his virgin birth, his very real, non-metaphorical ressurection from the dead, and his status as the way, the light, and the truth rather than a way, a light, and a truth, then yes, though I presume that he does not.

Spitfire · 02-21-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Well, I have to say that I have found Christians to be a little more palatable in light of the recent Muslim issues. Abortion and Gay Marriage are much more acceptable issues to struggle with.

Welcom Spit....

Thank you! :grin:

Go ahead, draw blasphemous cartoons of Jesus if you feel so inclined, you or anyone else. You might as well be honest about where you stand. I may not be impressed, but I promise I won't try to kill you because of it!

Chili · 02-21-2006, 01:23 PM

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I am happy to call them out for what they are. Protestors. Not just Prostesting anything little thing, Protesting the Church of God. That and in German even non-proper nouns get a capital letter so it's just force of habit.

You mean as in PROTESTORS.

In addition will I sign off from this tread since I am happy to agree that Catholics are not Christians . . . if protestants are. It is just definition related but to me it goes beyond the common meaning of the definition.

Best wishes and enjoy your visit here.

Spitfire · 02-21-2006, 01:38 PM

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I am happy to agree that Catholics are not Christians.

I am not. This is something I've fought so vigorously against, and I'm never given credit (by them) for the fact that I still consider THEM to be Christians even if they got some things wrong. Or a lot of things wrong. Yes, it's a shame when someone thinks that 2+2=5, but I suppose they deserve some credit for not thinking that 2+2=29347.

Yellum Notnef · 02-21-2006, 01:45 PM

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And no gay guy would get caught dead in something as loose-fitting as an alb.

But a fat gay man might enjoy the freedom of movement the alb provides.

Spitfire · 02-21-2006, 01:50 PM

Like Homer's muumuu?

Come to think of it, I don't know single fat gay man.

Gay women, however............

reddish · 02-21-2006, 03:19 PM

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Therein lies the problem. A condom is indeed a good way to protect oneself from the occasional brush with HIV. But, if you're going around having promiscuous sex, even if you use protection every time it's still only a matter of time before your luck runs out.

You can not imagine the contempt I have for this kind of apologetics.

Simple question. Your church is actively engaging in a campaign of misinformation on this subject. Do you deny that?

Just a yes or no will do - I am asking you simply to acknowledge or deny a well-documented fact.

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Please, make my day, call me morally corrupt if you like. I've been called worse.

What good would that do? It would only serve to stop communication.

reddish · 02-21-2006, 03:27 PM

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If he believes in the divinity of Christ, his virgin birth, his very real, non-metaphorical ressurection from the dead, and his status as the way, the light, and the truth rather than a way, a light, and a truth, then yes, though I presume that he does not.

Of course not. Either one of these ideas is dotty enough, but to believe the entire lot is inconceivable to the non-infected mind.

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