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Old 11-16-2006, 04:53 PM   #101
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That's good that at least you accept that you are going to hell. That way you know if you ever want to be saved you know what to do to receive Christ.
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Christianity always wins every discussion.
Except this one.
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:56 PM   #103
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Now, I notice that you still haven't made any substantive response to my earlier points.
He hasn't responded to anyone.

He doesn't have enough time to get into his concordance and look up what his opinion is.
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:57 PM   #104
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That's good that at least you accept that you are going to hell. That way you know if you ever want to be saved you know what to do to receive Christ.
Sarcasm fundybot, sarcasm.
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:59 PM   #105
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He doesn't have enough time to get into his concordance and look up what his opinion is.
You just got me thinking. Would it be possible to built a perpetual motion machine based on opinions? You know, his opinion is God's opinion which is his opinion which... and so on ad infinitum. I think there's real potential here.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:00 PM   #106
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Scholars agree that 1 Cor. 15 is a creed by Paul and things he received from his meetings with Peter and James in the Jerusalem council soon after the death of Jesus. This shows their agreement. They all taught the resurrection.
I don't want to engage with you but I am surprised that you haven't read your bible. Paul clearly states that he didn't receive his gospel from men but directly from god. Also, we have no way of knowing what the pillars preached, unless your bible has passages in it that no other bible has.

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Old 11-16-2006, 05:00 PM   #107
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[God] has done everything He can do within the confines of His righteousness and holiness to convince you not to go there, so if you still want to go to hell, you truly belong there.
Your problem is that the confines of God's righteousness and holiness do not qualify him as a moral being. God deliberately withholds information from some people who would accept him if they were aware of the information. If Jesus returned to earth and healed all of the sick people in the world, which Christians doctors are trying to do, surely out of gratitude some people would become Christians who were not previously convinced that God is good. James says that if a man refuses to provide food for hungry people, he is vain, and his faith is dead. One million people died from starvation in the Irish Potato Famine because God refused to provide them with food. The majority of those people were Christians. God kills people with hurricanes, including some of his most devout and faithful followers.

You sure have a strange understanding of what righteousness and holiness are. I woud be interested in knowing what your defnition of love is.

Any being can declare through human proxies that he is righteous and holy, but an uncorroborated assertion through human proxies, or even by God himself, proves nothing. Righteousness, holiness, and love must be corroborated with tangible deeds, not simply declared in words. Any loving human, and any loving God, would be concerned with helping people in spiritual AND tangible ways.

Do you have any evidence that today, all tangible benefits are not distributed entirely at random according to the laws of physics? If God does not exist, it is to be expected that all tangible benefits would be distributed entirely at random according to the laws of physics.

Do you really expect to convince anyone of anything at this forum with one and two sentence posts?
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:00 PM   #108
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Christianity won this discussion because the proof was given and no response against it trumpts it. Praise the Lord!
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:03 PM   #109
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God describes hell as gruesome as he can without going overboard because he loves you and doesn't want you to go there. He has done everything He can do within the confines of His righteousness and holiness to convince you not to go there, so if you still want to go to hell, you truly belong there. The essence of hell is eternal consciousness in being eternally separated from God forever and away from us. You will so be forgotten we will never even shed a tear for you ever again for you will be where you truly belong.
Actually, being eternally separated from you sounds more like heaven to me. Probably worth whatever torment is being handed out since nothing can be much worse than having to read post after post from you. Oh yeah, I feel the 'christian love' in your posts, I am sure Jesus would have been proud of you.

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Lots of people going to hell think that hell is heaven for them away from Christians, because the sinner wants to stay in that way of life and sin. It gets them off and they like it. They can't stand the pain of repentance.
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