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Pope Callistus I (218-223) and Hippolytus
Here is the story of Pope Callistus I (218-223), bishop of Rome, and Saint Hippolytus.
Source : http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03183d.htm Our chief knowledge of this pope is from the antipope (and nevertheless Saint) Hippolytus of Rome (d. about 236) who wrote the "Philosophumena". According to the "Philosophumena" (c. ix) Callistus was the slave of Carpophorus, a Christian of the household of Caesar. His master entrusted large sums of money to Callistus, with which he started a bank in which brethren and widows lodged money, all of which Callistus lost. He took to flight. Carpophorus followed him to Portus, where Callistus had embarked on a ship. Seeing his master approach in a boat, the slave jumped into the sea, but was prevented from drowning himself, dragged ashore, and consigned to the punishment reserved for slaves, the pistrinum, or hand-mill. The brethren, believing that he still had money in his name, begged that he might be released. But he had nothing, so he again courted death by insulting the Jews at their synagogue. The Jews haled him before the prefect Fuscianus, and Callistus was sent to the mines in Sardinia. Some time after this, Marcia, the mistress of emperor Commodus (180-192), sent for Pope Victor (189-198) and asked if there were any martyrs in Sardinia. He gave her the list. Marcia having received from the emperor the required pardon, sent a eunuch, the presbyter Hyacinthus, to release the prisoners. Victor sent Callistus to Antium with a monthly allowance. When Zephyrinus became pope (198-217) after Victor, Callistus was recalled and set over the cemetery belonging to the Church, not a private catacomb; it has ever since borne Callistus's name. He obtained great influence over the ignorant, illiterate, and grasping Zephyrinus by bribes. We are not told how it came about that the runaway slave, bankrupt usurer, (now free by Roman law from his master, who had lost his rights when Callistus was condemned to penal servitude to the State) became archdeacon and then pope (218-223). The antipope Saint Hippolytus (d. about 236) was a presbyter of the Church of Rome. In the reign of Pope Zephyrinus (198-217) Hippolytus came into conflict with that pontiff and with the majority of the Church of Rome, primarily on account of the christological opinions which for some time had been causing controversies in Rome. Hippolytus had combated the heresy of Theodotus who denied the manifestation of the Paraclete, and refused, in consequence, to admit the Gospel of St. John, wherein it is announced. Hippolytus opposed the doctrines of Sabellius, who saw in the concepts of the Father and the Son merely manifestations (modi) of the Divine Nature (Modalism, Sabellianism). When Callistus was elected pope (217-218) on the death of Zephyrinus, Hippolytus immediately had himself elected antipope by his small band of followers. He accused Callistus of having fallen first into the heresy of Theodotus, then into that of Sabellius; also of having through avarice degraded ecclesiastical, and especially the penitential, discipline to a disgraceful laxity. He continued in opposition as antipope throughout the reigns of the two immediate successors of Callistus, Urban (222 or 223 to 230) and Pontianus (230-35), and during this period, he wrote the "Philosophumena". He was banished to the unhealthful island (insula nociva) of Sardinia at the same time as Pontianus. After both exiles had died on the island of Sardinia, their mortal remains were brought back to Rome and interred, Pontianus in the papal vault in the catacomb of Callistus (!) and Hippolytus in a spot on the Via Tiburtina (second class burial place). |
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Thanks for the bullshit from the top so-to-speak Huon,
Unfortunately we have no evidence whatsoever for the existence of any of these characters of early christian fabledom other than that packaged up nicely with ribbons and a big bow at Nicaea by Constantine and Hans Eusebius Anderson. Archaeological citations do not commence in earnest until the fourth century. I have collected an index of Early christian epigraphy and as you will see we do not have even one single secure and unambiguous citation by which we may substantiate the word of Eusebius, whom is at the source for everything below. I suggest we turn to Arnaldo Momigliano: The Classical Foundations of Modern Historiography Arnaldo Momigliano Sather Classical Lectures (1961-62) Volume Fifty-Four The following is from my notes: Quote:
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Momigliano and Hippolytus
Here is a quote that I found on an interesting site :
http://www.mountainman.com.au/essene...ano%20post.htm Pagan and Christian Historiography in the Fourth Century A.D. * This essay first appeared in A. Momigliano, ed., The Conflict Between Paganism and Christianity in the Fourth Century, The Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1963, pp. 79—99 Quote:
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Momigliano is reknown for his very very heavy irony. The subject of the work is this spade-work in Christian chronology. Why do you think he uses the term spade-work? Clemens Alexandrinus, Julius Africanus and Hippolytus of Rome are introduced to our sensibilities throught the pen of the illustrious Hans Eusebius Anderson alone! All that happened is that a band new tax-exempt lineage of tax-exempt bishops were written up as actual history as part of the fabrication of the Galilaeans, sponsored by Constantine. With this monstrous tale the fabulous purity of the Christian Church is automatically guaranteed by the fictive apostolic succession. The quote that you have presented above is continued in the following. In particular AM describes this bit about adding a "list of bishops" as a simple device: Quote:
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If you cannot read irony in the above exposition by Arnaldo Momigliano, then IMO readers, you are missing entirely the point this ancient historian is trying to articulate. Why is Eusebius presented as a spade-worker? AM has a dark and ironic sense of humour. Why for example does AM descibed christian origins as transcendental? Are we aware of the meaning of this word with respect to the field of ancient history? Hello? Transcendental? Imaginary? Does anyone know anyone personally who was fortunate enough to have attended lectures given by Momigliano? I would be very interested in learning more about this ancient historian. Best wishes, Pete |
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Dear Huon,
At last I think we are beginning to make some progress. The next step is to accept the possibility that the canon appeared out of the blue in the eastern empire c.325 CE and then have a long hard look at the non canonical literature. And then ask whether it is possible that the new testament apochrypha was written by academic ascetic greek priests (probably of ancient temple lineages which were utterly disbanded and prohibited by Constantine) as satirical polemic against the characters of the Constantinian canon. That is, the chronology of the apochrypha is 324 to 400 CE, which matches the 348 CE of the Nag Hammadi codices. Readers must understand that it is likely that the new testament was foisted on the empire as a Constantinian initiative. He was a robber, and a military supremacist, and unbalanced. Nobody had the power to stand up to this stand over merchant, and the shop was passed to subsequent generations who understood the power inherent in the tax-exempt business of the church, with its automatic presence in the imperial court, and its netwok of assets in the form of basilicas. The Greek eastern academics berated the fiction for the entire fourth century IMO, and Emperor Julian'spening lines are preserved by Cyril. We have also the evidence of the Syriac literature of Nestorius turning up in the 19th or 20th centuries with the report that fiction was amidst the series of heresies and unbeliefs . And we can easily imagine why Cyril and the christian emperors wanted to deal with this very serious authenticity issue. Since they had the power, they dealt with it by burning down the library of Alexandria and burning the knowledge that the Constantinian literature was a contrived fable. The authodox thus viewed the apochrypha as sedition, and it was treated accordingly, starting with Constantine vs Arius, which is why I think it is reasonable to conjecture that Arius of Alexandria may have been the author of a series of the apochryphal stories, and additionally of the NHC 6.1 "The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles". The response to this sedition was persecution and intolerance, which explains the mood of the entire fourth century, and the high levels of taxation -- all sourced from Constantine. The key to the NT literature is understanding that the non-canonical is a satire of the canon written by clever (gnostic) ascetic academic priests perhaps of the lineage of the healing god Asclepius, who was reinstated during the Renaisance as the medical emblem we see today on the many medical emblems. See The Therapeutae of Antiquity - Collation of Sources and Summaries Follow the C14. Best wishes, Pete |
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Isn't it possible that Constantine's contemporaries were ready for a teaching like this? Were they tired of paganism? Was the increasing disorder making people anxious and dejected with the status quo? Was Constantine able to change peoples' minds, or were they ready for a change?
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I dont think this is a well directed question, since Constantine we knowreally gave them very little (if not zero) choice. Academic opinion of this matter is clearly expressed in two currrent articles (linked from this page: Constantine and the Problem of Anti-Pagan Legislation in the Fourth Century Scott Bradbury, Classical Philology, Vol. 89, No. 2 (Apr., 1994), pp. 120-139 Constantine's Prohibition of Pagan Sacrifice T. D. Barnes, The American Journal of Philology, Vol. 105, No. 1 (Spring, 1984), pp. 69-72 Quote:
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During the fourth century the people's minds were focused on the 318 Father of the Constantinian church, becuase that was the historical political reality of the 318 attendees, walking through a wall of Constantinian swords, just to get inside the council of Nicaea. Duress and coersion is mentioned explicitly in regard to this issue by the author Robin Lane-Fox (Pagans and Christians). Consantine was able to change peoples minds because he was a despot, and for no other reason. His continuators buried the common knowledge of the greek academics of the eastern empire, that the canon was a fiction of Constantine and Eusebius. Any and all opposition was burnt, persecuted and refuted by the supreme ruling constantinian christian party, since the emperors themselves after Constantine, with the exception of our Julian, subscribed to the perpetuation of the imperial basilica cult. My claim is that there is evidence remaining today of the resistance and opposition to Constantine in the fourth century, and that this evidence is the non canonical literature which, as a corpus, my thesis presents as having been writtn by these same afflicted people - the greek academics of the temple cults of the empire (such as the temples of the HEaling gof Asclepius) which are represented in the field of ancient history, with vast numbers of unambiguous citations during the period from 500 BCE to 500 CE. The apochrypha (ie: the non Constantinian authored NT literature) is pagan polemic and satire, targetting the characters in the Boss' fiction story. Nag Hammadi codices of 348 CE (C14) also provide evidence of this claim. The apochrypha were written by the suppressed people whom Constantine surplanted. Those who in a custodial fashion had staffed and manned the great variety of pagan temples and shrines throughout the empire. They then found themselves homeless, and sought refuge in the deserts and at remote places from Constantine. Pachomius led the way out in 324 CE. He may have witnessed the Boss pulling down the large and remnant obelisk to the Sun god at the most ancient temple of Karnack (Ammianus). Best wishes, Pete |
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