dado

there are lots of scrolls found at Qm'rn that aren't included in the standard canon. again, x'ian testament can't contain books written before jesus, otherwise they wouldn't be part of the "new covenant", and as your own link points out, the book precedes the events of the gospels by centuries.

i don't see the issue here...

Magdlyn

Oh, I see, Muhammad was the Paraclete.

And Aramaic was the lingua franca of Galilee, not Greek.

Dado, you mean the "logos?" hehe

highpreistess

Jesus clearly states that a paraclete would come after him, new editions
have edited this out, probably because most muslims see this as referring
to Mohammed. And that would make mohammed's extant life here as
a leader of a new religion viable. Also the old testament was bastardized
just as the new was, and again for political reasons. And most of the
writing in the qumram was Aramaic. The Essenes wrote in aramaic,
because the angels could not decipher it....hp

Dean Anderson

Just a friendly warning, folks...

When I clicked that link, the window spawned a couple of pop-ups and one of them tried to install a couple of Trojans on my machine.

Luckily my anti-virus caught them...

Amaleq13

The "comforter" is a concept only found in the Fourth Gospel and it is explicitly identified therein as the Holy Spirit. It appears to serve as a way to reconcile earlier expectations of the return of Christ with the increasingly obvious conclusion that believers were in for a very long wait.

Mohammed doesn't seem to qualify since 1) the comforter is depicted as coming with the first Pentecost and 2) the comforter stays with believers until the end of the age.

dado

the what? this i'm unfamiliar with...

River

The Holy Spirit does not seem to qualify as The Paraclete (Comforter/Counsellor/Spirit of Truth/Miracle of The Pentacost) . Heres why:---River


"The verb 'to hear, in the translation is the Greek verb 'akouô' meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for example, given us the word 'acoustics', the science of sounds.

The verb 'to speak' in the translation is the Greek verb 'laleô' which has the general meaning of 'to emit sounds' and the specific meaning of 'to speak'. This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration made by Jesus during His preachings. It therefore becomes clear that the communication to man which He here proclaims does not in any way consist of a statement inspired by the agency of the Holy Spirit. It has a very obvious material character moreover, which comes from the idea of the emission of sounds conveyed by the Greek word that defines it.

The two Greek verbs 'akouô' and 'laleô' therefore define concrete actions which can only be applied to a being with hearing and speech organs. It is consequently impossible to apply them to the Holy Spirit."
{Maurice Bucaille}

dado

i don't follow: if Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same entity - parts of the trinity - anything done by one is by definition "inspired by the agency" of the other. even if he is just a prophet, his "solemn" sayings are "inspired by the agency of the Holy Spirit" since that is what defines the speakings of a prophet. ie, no holy spirit, no prophet.

it seems you've either proven the trinity is false or that jesus was (even) less than a prophet.

River

Jesus Christ is the Messiah , the Messenger, and Spirit of G-d. However, the way the Paraclete is described (specifically) in the Gospel of John is completely different than the way the Holy Spirit is described elsewhere in the New Testament----even the personal pronouns used indicate that the Paraclete is a human or human-like entitiy.

The Trinity is not a concept found in the Bible. There is no word for "Trinity" in the Hebrew lexicon.

----River

CX

PARAKLHTOS. It's found in GJn 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7 and 1Jn 2:1. It is variously defined in biblical lexica as comforter/advocate, however it is a hapax legomena of the Johannine literature and it's original Koine meaning is essentially lost. Outside the NT it is used in only one place to refer to a legal assistant. The 1Jn reference explicitly identifies the PARAKLHTOS with Jesus. In GJn 14:16, however, it is a vague reference (until 10 verses later) to someone that Jesus will send after his ascension as an intercessor. Muslim apologists typically use GJn 14:16 as a proof text for the NT prefiguration of Mohammed despite the fact that just 10 verses later in 14:26 AJn explicitly identifes the PARAKLHTOS as the Holy Spirit.

GJn 14:26 (NA27)

hO DE PARAKLHTOS, TO PNEUMA TO hAGION...