John A. Broussard

Bling's right. You came in rather late, so I'll help to clarify.

Godly love is the single, most desirable state for any being, and there's a linear relationship between human misery and godly love. Human misery, in and of itself, is neither good nor bad, but is rendered good by the consequent godly love.

The more human misery there is, the more godly love there is.

It therefore follows that god, in its infinite wisdom, is creating as much human misery as possible in order to maximize the amount of godly love.

I hope that's clear.

If so, we can now move on to more and more human misery and hence on to more and more godly love.

RGD

Regrettably, my objection stands. The PoE disposes of your argument. If this world, with all it's Biblically prohibited pain, suffering, murder, etc. is the best world that God could create in order to achieve some end - then God is not omnipotent.

Simple as that.

You're going to have to try much harder if you're going to be convincing.

John A. Broussard

Even more regrettably, bling's god is impotent.

I'm not positive about that, but after many post exchanges, that seems--sadly--to be the case.

God, in his infinite godly love, would just godly love to obtain godly love from his creations without all that misery--though, keep in mind, that misery isn't necessarily bad in and of itself.

Being impotent, bling's god can only produce godly love by producing misery first to generate that godly life.

Pardon the analogy, but god's view is that you have to have a fire to produce warmth. The more fire, the more warmth. This may also be why bling's god created hell. Those in heaven will be able to express all sorts of godly love for those burning in the eternal fires.

So just keep in mind that the only important thing is godly love.

Repeat it.

Godly love, godly love, godly love.

Selsaral

Now I understand, it's "Say 'godly' and mean the opposite of what you said" day.

bling

If you have been following I did answer this already. My God always was and so He always had love and was Love. There is no need to explain how He got it.
Have you ever seen someone with Godly type love?

John A. Broussard

In fact, there's no need to explain anything. The mantra "godly love" is the answer to everything.

I'm not sure about godly type love, though. I thought there was only one godly love, but now it seems as though there are several types out there.

But there's no need to explain.

Godly love.

bling

I would not saying suffering, pain, tragedies, or hardships are bad in and of themselves. Satan is bad and sin is bad in and of itself, good is not in Satan or the sin, and yet Good can come from them as a by product of them, it is totally up to the individuals involved.
You like illustrations here is one: There is a real fire, so a young well trainer intelligent, but inexperienced fireman uses all his skill and learns some new things about himself, his equipment and fire, putting the fire out. Others appreciate his bravery, skills, willingness, and results. As a result the fireman is better fireman and has meaning and purpose. Now, the fire was not good, the fireman will work to keep fires from happening again, and no one wants another fire, but the fireman does want to be a better fireman, use his skill, save people, and reduce fire damage. Fires will not stop happening and more fireman will always be needed. Without fires no one learns how to put fires out, or can tell a good fireman from a weak fireman, or can show bravery, or can feel their purpose as a fireman. No one given the choice will step up in a no fire situation to learn to be fireman, they may act like they are but they are acting.
Sin and Satan are the fire and God is allowing that fire to continue, because that is the only way to get free will individuals to be fireman and we are all called upon to be fireman.


See above. Suffering may not be bad.


So you are the one playing God and causing the child to suffer in this story situation, I do not feel my God would allow the child to suffer in a real similar situation. From my medical information: pain is relative, especially in a child, what has your study shown?

As far as your story about the child it is total speculation on your part how much pain God would allowed him to have in that situation. This one child becomes part of the whole earthly situation designed to help humans develop Godly love and could not be removed without changing the earthly situation we are all in. We have no idea how much pain anyone goes through. Pain and suffering often draw the tender hearted to God and some close to God seem to have their pain removed. Not to long ago there was a young man trapped by a rock in a ravine and after weeks, eating what he had drinking his own urine, he broke and cut off his own arm. He somehow got out, on TV he said it all made him a better person and was glade to have gone through it. The tragedies we survive can be character building and bring us closer to the Lord or they can harden our hearts.

John A. Broussard

This is an important thing to keep in mind. If you were struck by a tornado, lost your entire family as a result and ended up as a quadruplegic, that may not be bad.

It could be an opportunity for bling to express godly love.

You can't beat that.

Godly love.

bling

I am not saying my God is omnipotent the way you seem to define omnipotent.
I do not expect to convince everyone.

bling

This is an opportunity for you and others to develop Godly love.
When I use Godly type love, I am trying to express godly love as having a range, it is not one fixed quantity.