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Old 04-08-2005, 09:06 AM   #161
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There is always the hope that the "someone" (either the poster or a lurker with similar misconceptions) has enough capability for rational thought that the sound arguments presented will cause them to reconsider the faith-based assumptions that have resulted in blatantly faulty conclusions. Many of "us" take great pleasure in helping the light of reason banish the darkness of ignorance. :angel:
Now your hubris is showing Are you a fan of Thomas Payne?
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Sorry to burst your egocentric bubble, Jim, but "we" get along just fine without arguing against specious interpretations of alleged prophecies and tend to otherwise spend time discussing topics that are genuinely puzzling.
Then pay me no mind then and certainly don't take part in the discussions or challenges I present. It won't bother me. Just tell me if I get a little to preachery or break some other rule you may have.

BTW, I've got to ask you this question. Are you rlogan posting under another name? Just curious cause I see you are from Alaska and so is he or he was the last time I was here a few months/year ago.
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You can't "know" something that is false, Jim. Keep your opinions of "our" thought processes to yourself and try to defend your claims with reliable evidence and sound arguments.
Thats your opinion, if I truely believed it was false do you think I would be posting what I have so far? I have presented some reliable evidence its just you don't want to interpret it that way. Your thought processes are very evident every time you post, but we all have some we don't share, don't we?
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BC&H is considered an "upper" forum where participants are expected to have at least a basic understanding of the scholarship relevant to the position they hold.
So what does it take , a Ph.D in ancient history? Do you have that? Does Spin? ( probably ) but so what. Degrees mean little when it comes to the truth, especially if you use your knowledge to denigrate and obfuscate instead of do true research.
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If one lacks sufficient reliable information or an adequate understanding of the basis for their position, it might be best for the individual to go somewhere else where the standards are lower or simply lurk until they feel competent.
Having reliable information doesn't make you right if you misinterpret it. Your off hand dismissal of some of the things I've posted as evidence shows me you are in possession of a closed mind and are indeed unwilling to accept the real truth of the matter.
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Wading into waters that are well over one's head is less of a problem than failing to recognize that one is drowning.
Well you know what ? I have a good life preserver and that is Jesus Christ. What about you? All this knowledge of the Bible is useless to you in the long run other than these trivial discussion here if you don't accept the truth of the Bible and the plan of salvation. Do you make a living studying the Bible? If not then this is a trivial endeavor for you of major proportions. In the long run we all have an appointment with a judgement down the road.
Thats Biblical , thats a fact.
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:14 AM   #162
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And here we go with the food fight...ah well, fun while it lasted.
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:28 AM   #163
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I really wonder if Jim will ever stop preaching.
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:38 AM   #164
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Then pay me no mind then and certainly don't take part in the discussions or challenges I present.
It would be a disservice to any uninformed lurkers to allow faulty information or unsubstantiated claims to stand unopposed. If you want to be ignored, don't post. If you want to be taken seriously, do your homework, avoid irrelevant comments about the thought processes of others, and refrain from preaching your beliefs.

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Just tell me if I get a little to preachery...
Your last paragraph is an example of preaching that has no place in this forum.

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Are you rlogan posting under another name?
Nope. It is a VERY big state, Jim.

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So what does it take , a Ph.D in ancient history?
It takes just what I described: "a basic understanding of the scholarship relevant to the position they hold." You've made several claims despite lacking any references to support them and, despite assurances that you would conduct the necessary research, have never followed up with the promised support.

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Your off hand dismissal of some of the things I've posted as evidence shows me you are in possession of a closed mind and are indeed unwilling to accept the real truth of the matter.
No one has simply dismissed your claims, Jim. They have just been shown to be based primarily on faith rather than the evidence. Opposing interpretations, OTOH, have been shown to correspond directly with known, historical events without the "special math" or selective reading required by yours. Which conclusion is more credible is subject to individual judgment.

Unless you have something substantive to add to your argument or wish to answer any of the numerous unanswered questions asked of you, I think this discussion is over.
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I really wonder if Jim will ever stop preaching.
He's certainly not here for the conversation.


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Old 04-08-2005, 09:42 AM   #166
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All this knowledge of the Bible is useless to you in the long run other than these trivial discussion here if you don't accept the truth of the Bible and the plan of salvation.
Wouldn't getting to the truth of the matter, wherever it may lead, be of value?
Is an endeavor to understand the bible only of value if we validate its claims, regardless of the truth of those claims?

What if the bible is wrong, Jim?
Wouldn't it be of value to point that out?
Does the truth have value to you?
If so, then no discussion is trivial, don’t you think?
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:45 AM   #167
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Now your hubris is showing
Jimmy's big on moral judging, ain't 'e? He's used "hubris" twice now in the two posts I've read. If you don't agree with his point of view, whammo, your hubris is showing. I'll have to see if I can lift mine up.


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Wouldn't getting to the truth of the matter, wherever it may lead, be of value?
When you already have the truth, you know where it leads you.

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Is an endeavor to understand the bible only of value if we validate it's claims, regardless of the truth of those claims?
As the bible is truth, there's no question about the truth of those claims.

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What if the bible is wrong, Jim?
Can right be wrong?

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Wouldn't it be of value to point that out?
There is an erroneous premise implied in the question

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Does the truth have value to you?
Yes, and it will set you free.

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If so, then no discussion is trivial, don’t you think?
The "then" part doesn't follow.

Don't mind me. I'm just playing devil's advocate.


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It is a VERY big state,
My first reaction was: if you think yours is big, get a load of this... W.A.

But knowing most Americans got through school failing geography, I thought it would be better to talk about mental health and the state you're in.


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