EarlDoherty

Crossan fails to understand that the discrepancy derives from the fact that these two incompatible viewpoints come from different sources, neither one of which need be assigned to any specific historical individual. The so-called wisdom stratum of Q (Q1) is ultimately derived from the pacificist-style philosophy of the Cynics, which a Jewish-Gentile sect centered in Galilee adopted as a set of internal ethics and behavior suitable to the imminent arrival of God's kingdom. The apocalyptic dimension (Q2) represents the preaching by that sect to the outside world, warning of the coming of the kingdom, of the Son of Man as judge, and the need for repentance. A study of Q itself indicates that the idea of a representative founder figure of the sect was a later development (not uncommon in sectarian evolution), and at that point, everything, those two seemingly incompatible dimensions, became attached to that imagined founder figure, creating the discrepancy in his preaching content and style.

A good portion of my books, but especially Jesus: Neither God Nor Man is devoted to a study of Q (including arguments for its very existence) and these conclusions which can be drawn from it.

Earl Doherty

aa5874

gMark does not mention the birth of God.

gMark does not mention the birth of the Devil.

gurugeorge

The mystery of Ehrman continues. He's just put out a book denying mythicism, but now apparently he's putting out a book which, by the sounds of it, whether he likes it or not, actually lends some support to mythicism.

aa5874

There is no mystery with Ehrman.

He merely promotes logical fallacies.

The Quest for an historical Jesus was initiated because HJ could not be found in the Bible.

Ehrman should have known that NT Jesus was a figure of Faith for at least 1800 years.

1. gMark--Jesus was the son of God and a transfiguring sea water walker.

2. gMatthew--the son of a Ghost.

3. gLuke--the product of a Ghost.

4. gJohn--the Logos and God the Creator.

5. The Pauline Epistles--Jesus was a Spirit and Son of a God.

The Quest continues for HJ without Ehrman.

ApostateAbe

Ehrman's way of thinking about the origins of creationism has some core principles in common with mythicists. After the death of Jesus, Christianity was nothing but myth. He even goes as far as to say that Jesus wasn't the founder of Christianity, because Jesus' ideology had little in common with the religion that followed. I don't think there is any mystery in Ehrman's positions. The theory that Rolex engineers design watches lends support to creationism. Toto, I am not saying that mythicists are as unreasonable as creationists. I am saying that extreme positions gain limited advantage from reasonable positions with limited overlap.

aa5874

It is the book of Genesis that lends support to creationism just like gMark with the transfiguring sea water walker in Galilee is used by Ehrman for the argument for his HJ of Nazareth.

It must be noted too that Ehrman also relies on the Bible which claims Jesus was a Spirit.

Frankly, I see no real difference between the arguments of creationists and Ehrman.

They both rely heavily on the Bible as a source of actual facts about God and Jesus of Nazareth.

May I remind you and Ehrman that it was Jesus of Nazareth who created the world in the Bible when he manifested himself as the Logos.

See John 1 in the Bible when Jesus of Nazareth was the Logos and God the Creator.

At least Creationists can state that God Created Adam but Ehrman cannot yet say who was the Father of his Jesus of Nazareth.

Ehrman may have to "create" a father for his Jesus of Nazareth from his imagination.

Toto

Did you mean to type "origins of Christianity" ??

So a historical Jesus is not necessary to explain the existence of Christianity, evidently.

There isn't?

Ye old watchmaker analogy. How quaint.

That last sentence is a mystery.

MrMacSon

That is a ridiculous assertion.

Yes you are. Yes you did.

ApostateAbe

Sorry, I meant Ehrman's way of thinking about the origins of Christianity has some core principles in common with mythicists.

MrMacSon

Yes, that seems to be the case.