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Old 11-01-2011, 12:12 PM   #11
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One can imagine what the poor victims life would most likely be like, if the bastard that raped her was being forced against his will to support and to live with her.
Keep her pregnant and barefooted and she could suffer a lifetime of male religiously sanctioned and enforced metal and physical abuse.

Does anyone find any law that states she doesn't have to accept or marry her rapist?
Or for that matter, not marry anyone that her father chooses?
Or that a woman has any rights that are not subject to the control and dictation of some man or group of men? (The Judges? naturally all men.)

Where are the laws protecting her rights to select or to reject a mate?
Every thing is 'he', him'... and "the man shall do..." this and thus, or thus.
As in; 'then let -HIM- write -her- a bill of divorcement, ' etc. ___Patriarchal primitives.
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One can imagine what the poor victims life would most likely be like, if the bastard that raped her was being forced against his will to support and to live with her.
Keep her pregnant and barefooted and she could suffer a lifetime of male religiously sanctioned and enforced metal and physical abuse.

Does anyone find any law that states she doesn't have to accept or marry her rapist?
Or for that matter, not marry anyone that her father chooses?
Or that a woman has any rights that are not subject to the control and dictation of some man or group of men? (The Judges? naturally all men.)

Where are the laws protecting her rights to select or to reject a mate?
Every thing is 'he', him'... and "the man shall do..." this and thus, or thus.
As in; 'then let -HIM- write -her- a bill of divorcement, ' etc. ___Patriarchal primitives.
It was terrible. Those Old Testament people were just bastards, the whole lot of them.
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:41 PM   #13
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A lot of these Biblical laws seems to be theoretical, at least for the Jews. We have no actual indication that any Jewish society operated on these principles, and Talmudic scholars seem to spend their time finding loopholes to avoid unpleasant results. (Some Islamic societies have taken these laws literally and stone adulterers, up to the present.)

You can see how this system operates today in societies where the bride's virginity is an issue. The family of a marriageable young woman spends its time chaperoning her to preserve her virginity, so there is no opportunity for her to be alone with another man. If the family is not dysfunctional, the parents will pick a man that the girl approves of for her to marry; if times are hard, her father might sell her into the equivalent of white slavery. If the young woman is raped, she becomes a pariah, and sometimes kills herself.

Marrying her rapist might be a better alternative, but I somehow doubt that it ever happened. It is more likely that the young woman's brother or father or uncle would kill the rapist (and maybe also the young woman) for violations of purity laws.

Let's all take a moment to feel grateful for modernity.
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Old 11-01-2011, 07:36 PM   #14
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28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

I don't see anything in there at all which indicates the woman has a choice.

Choice, too, seems to be a modern concept.
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