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littlegirlost · 06-18-2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Magdlyn

Welcome to the real world, LGL. I have a niece raised like you. She is 22 and still catching up after leaving home at 18. Good luck! I'm pulling for you!

My neice. One time I was babysitting her at about age 7 and let her watch the Wizard of Oz for the first time. A few yrs later, I told her the plot to Romeo and Juliet. The things that were forbidden to her! It boggles the mind.

Thanks so much for your encouragement!

I'm 27 and I'm just kicking myself for keeping my eyes closed for so long after reaching adulthood. It's all a little overwhelming, but II is really helping me out.

Rhaedas · 06-18-2004, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nice Squirrel

I'm a little curious about claims that the flood myth came about from raising sea levels that caused the natural dam of the Bosporus to let loose and flood the Black Sea about 5600 B.C.

I had read somewhere a similiar theory, only the flooding was from a supposed natural dam barrier at the now Strait of Gibraltar entrance to the Mediterranean Sea (a low land area before the breach). I don't remember how compelling the evidence was for it, but if it had occurred, certainly it would leave a mark on any survivors' decendants as a "world-wide" flood.

Sven · 06-18-2004, 08:28 AM

Um, sorry,

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Originally Posted by River

Noah's ark is located on Mt. Judi
This is fact.

this is present -

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[Holy Quran 11:44 ]
Then the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! Withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"

this is past.

So apparently you don't even have scripture to defend your claim above.

River · 06-18-2004, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven

Um, sorry,

this is present -

this is past.

So apparently you don't even have scripture to defend your claim above.

SVEN, I AM COMPLETELY IGNORING YOU.

ALL YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IS FOLLOWING ME AROUND FROM THREAD TO THREAD....

ATTEMPTING TO CONTRADICT ME....

I DO NOT ARGUE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUING....

----River

funinspace · 06-18-2004, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by River

Noah's ark is located on Mt. Judi

This is fact.

---River

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Originally Posted by River

While it might be an inherent bias on my part....this is the source for the "fact"

[Holy Quran 11:44 ]

Then the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! Withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"

You do realize that most people don't consider the Quran a source for "facts"? The Ark would have been pretty big for any flood tale. I assume people have been up to Mt. Judi? Has any evidence been profered to the world? I have no idea what time frame one could assume from the Quran, but wood generally doesn't last that long unprotected. So it does seem unlikely that anything could survive from 3-5000 years ago. Wouldn't you think so?

DK

fallingblood · 06-18-2004, 03:38 PM

I just thought about this. During the time of Noah, he wouldn't have had a concept of the whole world. Just the part where he lived (and surrounding areas). No if just the known part of the world was flooded, then that woud be considered the whole world.

River · 06-18-2004, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by funinspace

The Ark would have been pretty big for any flood tale. I assume people have been up to Mt. Judi? Has any evidence been profered to the world? I have no idea what time frame one could assume from the Quran, but wood generally doesn't last that long unprotected. So it does seem unlikely that anything could survive from 3-5000 years ago. Wouldn't you think so?

DK

The Qur'an doesn't give measurements, or a date for the "regional flood". However, according to the Qur'an the Ark rested upon Mt. Judi. It is possible as Fallingblood has stated earlier....that the Ark should have decomposed or disintegrated by now. Though, the scientific world is no stranger in witnessing amazing preservation techniques in nature....i.e we have the Mammoths DNA and we also have very good preservations of humans..that should have decomposed into nothingness... A fossilized Noah's Ark is certainly possible.

---River

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fallingblood Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mandan, ND Posts: 80	I just thought about this. During the time of Noah, he wouldn't have had a concept of the whole world. Just the part where he lived (and surrounding areas). No if just the known part of the world was flooded, then that woud be considered the whole world.

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