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Thus, when we have a critical debate here about Jesus your presumption is entirely unfounded. I start in the critical world and use terms and words from there. For example, I fully understood Ted Weeden when he said "multiple attestation" as did, I am sure ll the scholars on X-talk. Some pew warmers on Christian forums might think the triple tradition constitutes three separate witnesses but thats all a red herring. This forum is for critical discussion. Either that context should be assumed or none at all. If anyone muddled the issue it is you by not realizing your context. You made the unfounded assumptions and muddied the issue in your own mind. And I barely resemble anything you would define as "Christian". Vinnie |
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Corinthians 15 contains a -Pre-Pauline Creed. Some here think thats an interpolation. I don't. Show another Independent Source from Paul which mentions it (e.g. Mark). Vinnie |
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"""""""""LOL this is just silly too. In order to get to your "totally independent" idea, Paul and "Mark" would have to have been involved with movements that were entirely unrelated to eachother..... try to demonstrate that!!!"""""""""
No I wouldn't. It simply is two indepdnent vectors coming from the same core. Thomas and Q overlapps present another example of this which you presumably know nothing about. """"""""""If Pauline kerygma accurately described the Christian movement ..... well.... YES""""""""" Paul was one pea in the Christian pod. Other trajectories like THomas and Q developed as well. """Prove it....wait you can't whooops."""" Everyone knows Mark dates to ca 70 c.e. Well except for a couple of revisionists no one takes seriously. The reasons are also commonly known. """"""I can prove anything on the MJ side as well as you can prove anything on the HJ side.... sheeeesh the arrogance is amazing!"""""""" Well I am debating like 6 on 1 in here. I think I'm doing well! And I tend to doubt this. I can use GMark, Paul and Thomas to show a good amount stuff. You have arguments from silence and bad exegesis and constant interpolations. Not to mention very little knowledge of NT studies in general. So when I'm done with RobetLW .... """""""No shit, like Jesus' ENTIRE ministry for instance """"""" Paul knows of Jesus ministry. For example, teaching on divorce. Jesus going to the Jews, not Gentiles, and a bunch of other stuff. Wiggle and squirm. """"""""Where else WOULD he be crucified???? jeeezz"""""""""" You are the mythicist. Some invisible fantasy realm filled with pink elephants I suppose. Not by Pontius Pialte of course. That is preposterous. V Its also inherited tradition. Paul is not the inventor of Christianity nor of Christ crucified. He may have championed the latter but thats the extent of it. Ly PROVE IT!!! wow you are good at assertions.... the ipse dixit king around here. Comments like these show you aren't worth anymore effort from me. Paul persecuted the Christian movement. It predated his """"conversion"""""". You win this thread's the golden duh award. Congratulations. Vinnie |
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And i addressed Paul's thoughts. His belief in the resurrection of Jesus and the inauguaration of a new movement alleviated this. Remember that Paul initially persecuted this cult before his vision with Jesus. I wonder if he initially found a crucified Jesus absurd himself? Vinnie |
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This is only "obvious" to someone who has devoted an entire website to that assumption. Paul is clearly proud of his crucified Christ and those outside his beliefs would have consider them foolish whether or not they were based on historical events. Your "criteria" is obviously meaningless regardless of the number of scholars who embrace it. |
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Paul has some mythical being crucified in the sub-lunar realm.... The gospel writers in placing this mythical being into earthly history, find an earthly place and manner in which to crucify him....this ain't rocket science, I can only assume you are being obtuse. Quote:
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