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Old 05-22-2009, 10:21 PM   #21
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Hi Ben,

I would maintain that explaining narrative failure by the cleverness of the author is like explaining a car accident by the bravery of the driver. Yes, the author may have been clever and wanted to make an obscure point for a specific group of readers, but presumably the author could have done that without causing a narrative collapse. In the same way a driver in an auto accident could have presumably found another way to to prove his/her bravery without crashing their car in a seemingly reckless and unplanned manner.

In a previous post I noted four reasons to believe that Barnabas replaced Judas in the original text.

1. The codex Bezae names him as a candidate for Judas' office.
2. The narrative of Acts is concerned with Barnabas, but not with Matthias, which we would expect if Barnabas was the replacement for Judas
3. Barnabas reverses Judas' buying a field with private money and sells his field to raise money for the Church.
4. The Recognitions of Clement identify him as Matthias.

I would like to add to those reasons, a couple of more.
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In The Message of Acts in Codex Bezae, by Josep Rius-Camps and Jenny Read-Heimerdinger (New York, NY: T&T Clark/Continuum, 2006, pg. 129), we read:

Of the successful candidate, it is only known that his name is Matthias and that he presumably fulfils the stipulated condition. No-one ever speaks of him again in Acts. In contrast, rather more is said of the candidate who is named first, Joseph. It is odd that the rejected candidate should be the one named first and described more fully than the other. The implication in the Bezan text of the fuller, positive information concerning Joseph is that he was Peter’s preferred choice.
Joseph is cited along with two other names, the latter of which is the Latin ((….Justus….) of the Hebrew word ‘tsadik’ (…’righteous), the highest ethical quality that a Jew was exhorted to achieve. According to Codex Bezae (by no means alone, see selling his field (note the contrast with Judas!) at 4.36. There, Luke provides the translation of this name, given by the apostles as ‘the Son of Encouragement’...

The combination of the names, Joseph/Son of Encouragement/the Righteous is a clue that the first candidate is being assimilated with the patriarch Joseph because of what the latter had come to stand for…In the intertestamental literature, the character of Joseph is considerably developed compared with the biblical account: he is the heroic figure without fault or failing, the supreme example of a wise, pious and generous man, who isplayed impeccable conduct even when living in exile in Egypt. He serves as an example of purity for Jews among foreigners, at the same time as being their representative. Two titles are especially associated with him: Joseph the Righteous (cf. r Macc.2.2) and Joseph the Son of Encouragement (cf. Gen. 50. 15-21 and the Rabbinic Midrash Gen
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Barnabus is given a honorary name - Josephus and two honorary titles (The Just one and Son of Encouragement). No information is given about Matthias.

Josep Rius-Camps and Jenny Read-Heimerdinger see the problem, but give an explanation that presumes that a real event is being described. From pg. 134:

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The result of the election is difficult to reconcile with the Alexandrian reading of 1.23, for it is inexplicable that an assembly should be aware of the qualities of the first candidate (‘the Righteous’) and then without further comment go on to elect the second who was presented without any kind of qualifying description. ..the decision of the disciples could be understood as a vote against Peter’s preferred choice.
This assumes that the author is describing a real event, but does not explain the narrative failure. Presumably the author would have explained that the apostles' had voted against Peter's preferred choice if that is what he wanted the reader to understand. His failure to explain this would have to be considered an additional narrative failure. On the other hand, the hypothesis that Barnabas won the election in the earlier text and the author is erasing that fact from the narrative does not assume a real election (although one might have taken place) but does explain the narrative failure. The narrative failure takes place because the author is only interested in erasing the victory of Barnabas from the story.

The connection of Barnabas and Matthias or the single identity of the two
is also made more possible with this information from the article Barnabas and the Gospels:Was There an Early Gospel of Barnabas? by R. Blackhirst
(JHC 7/1 (Spring 2000), 1-22.) The author points out that in two separate lists, the Gospel of Barnabas and the Gospel of Matthias are put together.
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The Gelasian Decree is considered a forgery but is not later than the sixth century. The List of Sixty Books is of eastern provenance and is as old as the seventh century. Both lists, it should be noted, probably drew on earlier lists, including those supplied through Jerome...

The Gelasian Decree and the List of Sixty Books are, as far as we know, independent of each other: geographically one is from the east and one from the west; in time they are separated by at least a century
These two lists have nothing in common except that they list the Gospel of Barnabas and the Gospel of Matthias together. This can hardly be a coincidence. It suggests that some kind of close relationship must have been
perceived between Barnabas and Matthias.

Blackhirst further notes the coincidence of name changing regarding both:

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MATTHIAS/Matthew/Barsabbas/Barnabas -- it is evident that our extant sources are giving somewhat garbled versions of a common sub-stratum of stories involving this group of names. The two lists, with their Gospels of Matthias and Barnabas grouped together, participate in the same tradition of associations.

We now have six reasons to suspect that Barnabas replaced Judas

1. The codex Bezae names him as a candidate for Judas' office.
2. The narrative of Acts is concerned with Barnabas, but not with Matthias, which we would expect if Barnabas was the replacement for Judas
3. Barnabas reverses Judas' buying a field with private money and sells his field to raise money for the Church.
4. The Recognitions of Clement identify him as Matthias.
5. In the Codex Bezae, Barnabas is given the honorary name of Joseph and the honorary names of "The Just one" and "Son of Encouragement." Matthias is given no names or titles, so there is no reason why he should have won and no explanation for why he won.
6. Two independent ancient lists associate the Gospel of Barnabas with the Gospel of Matthias.

Tomorrow, I'll bring more support for the hypothesis.

Warmly,

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It is hard to believe that anybody would have connected these passages with the election in Acts unless they had been told it was a reference to them. We would have to imagine that the author was writing specifically for an elite Jewish audience who knew the scriptures so well that they could pick out a single line with only the most oblique references.
Quite the opposite; the author specifically quotes the relevant passages; he does not expect his readers to pick them out on their own.
No, your interpretation required that the men either selected or deselected in this process be given attributes that would make the selection or deselection meaningful. If the main point is the selection itself (as in Proverbs 16.33), then such attributes are no longer necessary to make sense of the incident. It the process of selection (the lot) that makes the incident click, not the attributes of each man...

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These two lists have nothing in common except that they list the Gospel of Barnabas and the Gospel of Matthias together.
What do you mean by "together" here?

How are the two "together" in the list as opposed to both just being part of the list? Or is that all you mean?
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Hi All,

Here is the promised additional reasons to suspect Barnabas replaced Judas as the 12th apostle.

Note this text at 15.22:

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Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely , Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren
We know that Barsabbas is the name used in 1:26 as the candidate to replace Judas. Since Codex Bezae has Barnabas at 1:26, we may presume that Barsabbas is also just a disguise/mistake for Barnabas at 15:22. The term Barsabbas is never used again. Judas and Silas are referenced at 15:32, and then disappear from the narrative.

In the Codex Bezae, we again have a substitute for the name Barsabbas. This time, instead of Barnabas, it is Barabbas. Again, the Codex Bezae is telling us that name Barsabbas was not the name in the original text. The name is also spelled Barsabas in some Greek Texts which puts it even closer to Barnabas. Again it would be quite a fantastic coincidence having a man named Barnabas and a man named Barsabas both sent on the same mission.

Besides the Codex Bezae, the narrative itself is telling us that something is wrong. Why do the Apostles and elders select Judas B. and Silas to deliver a message along with Barnabas and Paul who have just gotten back from Antioch and are returning again. Judas B. and Silas serve no function in the narrative. They disappear and play no role in the narrative afterwards.

What would make sense is for the the Apostles and Elders to send the letter with Barnabas and Saul.

Now note this from Wikipedia:

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There is some disagreement over the proper form of his name: he is consistently called "Silas" in Acts, but the Latin Silvanus, which means "of the forest", is always used by Paul and in the First Epistle of Peter; it may be that "Silvanus" is the Romanized version of the original "Silas", or that "Silas" is the Greek nickname for "Silvanus". Fitzmyer points out that Silas is the Greek version of the Aramaic "Seila", a version of the Hebrew "Saul", which is attested in Palmyrene inscriptions.
Silas is the Greek version of Saul. Up till 13:12 in acts, we are encountering Barnabas and Saul. So it seems that 15:22 is telling us that the apostles sent leading men Barsabbas/Barabbas and Saul to accompany Barnabas and Saul to Antioch to deliver a letter.

This is incredible nonsense. It is as if someone said that Batman and Robin went with the Dark Night (Sic) and the Boy Wonder to fight the Joker. The writer would appear to either not know that the Dark Knight is another name for Batman or that the Boy Wonder is another name for Robin.

We must presume that the narrative made sense originally and that Judas Barsabbas/Barabbas and Silas were orignally Barnabas and Saul. Barnabas and Saul were sent to deliver letters to Antioch.

We may conjecture that the name Judas Barsabbas/Barabbas probably comes from the line at 15:22 originally saying
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Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely , the apostle who replaced Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren
"The words the apostle who replaced" have been exercised. This would explain the name Judas in this sentence, which makes no sense otherwise.

The fact that the text is again trying to substitute Barsabbas for Barnabas and the fact that the name Judas is found in proximity to Barsabbas/Barabbas or Barnabas indicates a further connection between Judas and Barnabas.

Thus reasons 7 and 8 should be.

7. The text attempts in chapter 15 to make us believe that Barsabbas/Barabbas and Silas are different from Barnabas and Saul, but there is no reason to bring in these separate characters. They serve no function in the story more than Barnabas and Silas serve. This must make us suspect that the text is trying to scam us in some regard.
8. Judas Barsabbas at 15:22 again points to a connection between Judas and Barnabas.

Warmly,

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Quite the opposite; the author specifically quotes the relevant passages; he does not expect his readers to pick them out on their own.
No, your interpretation required that the men either selected or deselected in this process be given attributes that would make the selection or deselection meaningful. If the main point is the selection itself (as in Proverbs 16.33), then such attributes are no longer necessary to make sense of the incident. It the process of selection (the lot) that makes the incident click, not the attributes of each man...

{snip}...
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Hi Amaleq13,

I mean the books are next to each other on the lists. They are the only two books that are together on both lists.

Here the list in the Gelasian Decree (from http://www.tertullian.org/decretum_eng.htmm [Thanks, Roger]):
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the Acts in the name of the apostle Andrew apocryphal
the Acts in the name of the apostle Thomas apocryphal
the Acts in the name of the apostle Peter apocryphal
the Acts in the name of the apostle Philip apocryphal
the Gospel in the name of Mathias apocryphal
the Gospel in the name of Barnabas
apocryphum
the Gospel in the name of James the younger apocryphum
the Gospel in the name of the apostle Peter apocryphum
the Gospel in the name of Thomas which the Manichaeans use apocryphum
the Gospels in the name of Bartholomew apocrypha
the Gospels in the name of Andrew apocrypha
the Gospels which Lucianus forged apocrypha
the Gospels which Hesychius forged apocrypha
the book on the infancy of the saviour apocryphus
the book of the nativity of the saviour and of Mary or the midwife apocryphus
the book which is called by the name of the Shepherd apocryphus
all the books which Leucius the disciple of the devil made apocryphi
the book which is called the Foundation apocryphus
the book which is called the Treasure apocryphus
the book of the daughters of Adam Leptogeneseos apocryphus
the cento on Christ put together in Virgilian verses apocryphum
the book which is called the Acts of Thecla and Paul apocryphus
the book which is called Nepos's apocryphus
the books of Proverbs written by heretics and prefixed with the name of holy Sixtus apocryphus
the Revelation which is called Paul's apocrypha
the Revelation which is called Thomas's apocrypha
the Revelation which is called Stephen's apocrypha
the book which is called the Assumption of holy Mary apocryphus
the book which is called the Repentance of Adam apocryphus
the book about Og the giant of whom the heretics assert that after the deluge he fought with the dragon apocryphus
the book which is called the Testament of Job apocryphus
the book which is called the Repentance of Origen apocryphus
the book which is called the Repentance of holy Cyprian apocryphus
the book which is called the Repentance of Jamne and Mambre apocryphus
the book which is called the Lots of the apostles apocryphus
the book which is called the grave-plate (?) of the apostles apocryphus
the book which is called the canons of the apostles apocryphus
the book Physiologus written by heretics and prefixed with the name of blessed Ambrose apocryphus
the History of Eusebius Pamphilii apocrypha
the works of Tertullian apocrypha
the works of Lactantius also known as Firmianus apocrypha
the works of Africanus apocrypha
the works of Postumianus and Gallus apocrypha
the works of Montanus, Priscilla and Maximilla apocrypha
the works of Faustus the Manichaean apocrypha
the works of Commodian apocrypha
the works of the other Clement, of Alexandria apocrypha
the works of Thascius Cyprianus apocrypha
the works of Arnobius apocrypha
the works of Tichonius apocrypha
the works of Cassian the Gallic priest apocrypha
the works of Victorinus of Pettau apocrypha
the works of Faustus of Riez in Gaul apocrypha
the works of Frumentius Caecus apocrypha
the cento on Christ stitched together from verses of Virgil apocryphum
the Letter from Jesus to Abgar apocrypha
the Letter of Abgar to Jesus apocrypha
the Passion of Cyricus and Julitta apocrypha
the Passion of Georgius apocrypha
the writing which is called the Interdiction of Solomon apocrypha
all amulets which are compiled not in the name of the angels as they pretend but are written in the names of great demons apocrypha
Here is the mentions in the List of the sixty (http://www.ntcanon.org/Sixty_Canonical_Books.shtml):

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1. Adam
2. Enoch
3. Lamech
4. The Patriarchs
5. The Prayer of Joseph
6. Eldad and Modad
7. The Testament of Moses
8. The Assumption of Moses
9. The Psalms of Solomon
10. The Revelation of Elias
11. The Vision of Isaiah
12. The Revelation of Zephaniah
13. The Revelation of Zechariah
14. The Revelation of Ezra
15. The History of James
16. The Revelation of Peter
17. The Circuits and Teachings of the Apostles
18. The Epistle of Barnabas
19. The Acts of Paul
20. The Revelation of Paul
21. The Teaching of Clement
22. The Teaching of Ignatius
23. The Teaching of Polycarp
24. The Gospel according to Barnabas
25. The Gospel according to Matthias
If they were together on just one list, we could dismiss this as a coincidence, but the fact that the only two lists in antiquity list them and only them together demands an explanation. Their inclusion on both lists together suggests to me that they must have been circulating together.

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What do you mean by "together" here?

How are the two "together" in the list as opposed to both just being part of the list? Or is that all you mean?
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We know that Barsabbas is the name used in 1:26 as the candidate to replace Judas. Since Codex Bezae has Barnabas at 1:26, we may presume that Barsabbas is also just a disguise/mistake for Barnabas at 15:22.
No, we may not. We might possibly be able to assume that for 1:26, but certainly not for 15:22. For one thing, there is no textual evidence for it that I'm aware of. It's more likely, based on the evidence, that "Barsabbas" (or possibly "Barabbas" as in Bezae) is a real name, but was the name of a different apostle. In fact, that other apostle isn't named Joseph either, as Acts gives his other name as "Judas". So, Joseph Barnabas and Judas Barsabbas/Barabbas are more likely different people.

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In the Codex Bezae, we again have a substitute for the name Barsabbas. This time, instead of Barnabas, it is Barabbas. Again, the Codex Bezae is telling us that name Barsabbas was not the name in the original text.
Don't assume Bezae is correct just because it is different. I'm sure Bezae has its own idiosyncrasies.

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Again it would be quite a fantastic coincidence having a man named Barnabas and a man named Barsabas both sent on the same mission.
But possibly not such a coincidence if it were "Barnabas" and "Barsabbas" or "Barabbas".

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Judas B. and Silas serve no function in the narrative. They disappear and play no role in the narrative afterwards.
What are you talking about? Silas becomes Paul's companion all the way through Acts 18.

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What would make sense is for the the Apostles and Elders to send the letter with Barnabas and Saul.
Maybe, but this doesn't mean that "Judas Bar(s)abbas" is the same person as Joseph Barnabas. Luke could have just confused the two.

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Silas is the Greek version of Saul. Up till 13:12 in acts, we are encountering Barnabas and Saul. So it seems that 15:22 is telling us that the apostles sent leading men Barsabbas/Barabbas and Saul to accompany Barnabas and Saul to Antioch to deliver a letter.
You're taking Luke at face value, and making the assumption that Saul is Paul. I'm surprised you accept this noncritically.

If Silas is a Saul (and I have thought for a while that this is a distinct possibility), then Saul already has a Latin name. He doesn't need "Paul". Meaning...Saul and Paul are two different people. Who was Paul and where did he come from? We don't know (yet).

So there probably are four people here--Joseph Barnabas, Judas Bar(s)abbas, Saul/Silas, and Paul.
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Hi the Cave,

Thanks for catching my mistake about Silas not disappearing with Barsabbas.
The text is ambiguous. We have (Acts 15):
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33 After they had spent time there, they were sent away from the brethren in peace to those who had sent them out. 34 [But it seemed good to Silas to remain there.] 35 But Paul and Barnabas stayed in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others also, the word of the Lord.
Bezae has:

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And Judas and Silas, being themselves also prophets, full of the Holy Spirit exhorted the brethren by [much] speech, and confirmed them. And after they had spent some time there, they were dismissed in peace from the brethren unto those that had sent them forth. But it seemed good to Silas to abide there, and Judas journeyed alone. But Paul and Barnabas tarried in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
Passage 33 seems to indicate that both Judas Barsabbas/Barabbas and Silas are asked to leave. Suddenly, for no reason, Silas decides to stay.

We may take it that in the original the passages 33 and 35 were together. It read "they were sent away from the brethren in peace to those who had sent them out." But "Barnabas and Saul decided to stay awhile." The editor is putting in passage 34 to confuse us and make us think that Judas Barsabbas/Barabbas and Silas are different from Barnabas and Paul.

Right now it seems that the editor is working from a text of Barnabas miracle tales, a text of Philip miracle tales, and a third "we on the ship" adventure-miracle tales which possibly also involves Barnabas as the lead character. He may be working from a fourth "Saul" miracle-adventure text.

The editor is fitting these diverse stories into a pretty consistent pattern:

1. Christian Apostle makes a miracle (This is in the original material.The editor is changing Philip's miracles into Peter's, and Barnabas' miracles into Paul's)
2. Christian Apostle proves to masses that Jesus was the Messiah from Hebrew Text. These speeches are added by the editor
3. Crazy, jealous Jews attack Christian apostle and try to kill him. This disrupts and confuses the people of each town. This is added by the editor.

This motif is repeated about ten times. It is the editor's skeleton structure for the material.

The editor is adding the historical material like the names Festus and Sergius Paulus.

At base the three or four miracle-adventure stories that the editor is using have nothing to do with each other. It is the editor who is structuring them to get a pseudo-history out of them.

Warmly,

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We know that Barsabbas is the name used in 1:26 as the candidate to replace Judas. Since Codex Bezae has Barnabas at 1:26, we may presume that Barsabbas is also just a disguise/mistake for Barnabas at 15:22.
No, we may not. We might possibly be able to assume that for 1:26, but certainly not for 15:22. For one thing, there is no textual evidence for it that I'm aware of. It's more likely, based on the evidence, that "Barsabbas" (or possibly "Barabbas" as in Bezae) is a real name, but was the name of a different apostle. In fact, that other apostle isn't named Joseph either, as Acts gives his other name as "Judas". So, Joseph Barnabas and Judas Barsabbas/Barabbas are more likely different people.


Don't assume Bezae is correct just because it is different. I'm sure Bezae has its own idiosyncrasies.


But possibly not such a coincidence if it were "Barnabas" and "Barsabbas" or "Barabbas".


What are you talking about? Silas becomes Paul's companion all the way through Acts 18.


Maybe, but this doesn't mean that "Judas Bar(s)abbas" is the same person as Joseph Barnabas. Luke could have just confused the two.

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Silas is the Greek version of Saul. Up till 13:12 in acts, we are encountering Barnabas and Saul. So it seems that 15:22 is telling us that the apostles sent leading men Barsabbas/Barabbas and Saul to accompany Barnabas and Saul to Antioch to deliver a letter.
You're taking Luke at face value, and making the assumption that Saul is Paul. I'm surprised you accept this noncritically.

If Silas is a Saul (and I have thought for a while that this is a distinct possibility), then Saul already has a Latin name. He doesn't need "Paul". Meaning...Saul and Paul are two different people. Who was Paul and where did he come from? We don't know (yet).

So there probably are four people here--Joseph Barnabas, Judas Bar(s)abbas, Saul/Silas, and Paul.
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I would maintain that explaining narrative failure by the cleverness of the author is like explaining a car accident by the bravery of the driver. Yes, the author may have been clever and wanted to make an obscure point for a specific group of readers....
In this case the explanation falls squarely within the patterns observed elsewhere in early Christian literature, in which certain things are written and certain events invented apparently for very little purpose beyond making a connection with the Hebrew scriptures (and perhaps occasionally other texts, as well).

And the point is not obscure. (At least not compared to other points made in early Christian literature.)

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Hi Ben,

It is certainly true that in early Christian literature references are often made to passages in Hebrew Scriptures both explicitly and implicitly. However, story-telling techniques go back much further than the Hebrew Scriptures and in fact the Hebrew Scriptures are filled with narratives, both ones that fail and ones that succeed.

The narrator must always create his narrative from previous narrative structures. In each case where a narrative fails, we must examine the possible reasons for it, especially conscious changes for ideological or political reasons, i.e. censorship.

Let us take another example from Acts. At the end of Acts, Paul undergoes five trials or at least gives five defenses, 1) to the Jerusalem Jews 2) to the Jewish Chief Priests and council, 3) to proconsul Felix, 4)to proconsul Porcius Festus, 5) to King Agrippa and Bernice. Each of these trials are moving to a more powerful court. Paul goes to Rome for a sixth trial where he is to plead his case under the most powerful court of all - Caesar. Yet, although the narrative tells us that this sixth trial will take place, we never get this sixth and most important trial. Paul simply goes to Rome and preaches in Rome, presumably founding the Roman Christian Church. The lack of a climatic sixth trial before Caesar is certainly a narrative failure. How do we explain it?

One can say that the writer died before he wrote about the sixth trial or one can say that he attempted to write it, but couldn't come up with anything he liked. These are possibilities, but I would say that we need to look at the most important contradiction that the writer faced - the question of the verdict.

The writer has been delaying a real verdict on Paul through five trials. At the sixth and final trial, he presumably would have had to make a decision. Would the Emperor find him guilty or innocent? If the emperor found Paul innocent, this would have set a precedent that an Emperor, Nero, who was considered a bad emperor, found the Christians innocent. That a bad emperor found Paul innocent would hardly help Christians in the writer's later time. On the other hand, a condemnation by any emperor, even a bad emperor, would mean that he was guilty in Roman eyes. Both were unacceptable outcomes. Since the Roman governors and even King Agrippa had already found Paul innocent, the writer found no need to risk a verdict by an emperor, a verdict which could have been used against Christians whichever way it went.

By trying to find political and ideological reasons for narrative failure, we can often see things in the text or hidden by the text that we fail to see by assigning a general methodology to a particular writer.

Warmly,

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In this case the explanation falls squarely within the patterns observed elsewhere in early Christian literature, in which certain things are written and certain events invented apparently for very little purpose beyond making a connection with the Hebrew scriptures (and perhaps occasionally other texts, as well).

And the point is not obscure. (At least not compared to other points made in early Christian literature.)

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The editor is putting in passage 34 to confuse us and make us think that Judas Barsabbas/Barabbas and Silas are different from Barnabas and Paul.
I'm still not convinced that Silas and Paul (leaving Barnabas out of it altogether) weren't different people. If Silas was Saul, why does Saul need yet another Latin name? I can accept the possibility that he just happened to have more than one Latin name ("Silas/Silvanus" and "Paul"), but I don't see that we need to take Acts at face value.

Now, there is something to be said for it, because: notice that Paul almost never travels with Silas alone! The only time he does it starts in Ac 15:40 and lasts for all of two verses, through Ac 15:41, until 16:1 where he meets Timothy! Keep reading: though "Paul and Silas" are often described together, the implication is that Timothy is with them the whole time. (Notice also that even when Paul is separated from Silas and Timothy, he still has "escorts" as in Ac 17:15. He makes a speech alone in Athens, but never travels without companions, picking up one after the other on his journeys. This strongly suggests to me that the scholarship is correct that suggests Paul was at least partially blind. Yet one more reason to wonder if Paul and Simon Magus--and even Elymas Bar-Jesus--were somehow the same person.)

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Right now it seems that the editor is working from a text of Barnabas miracle tales, a text of Philip miracle tales, and a third "we on the ship" adventure-miracle tales which possibly also involves Barnabas as the lead character. He may be working from a fourth "Saul" miracle-adventure text.
Right: he is working from multiple, overlapping texts and traditions, as much as a century away from the actual events.

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At base the three or four miracle-adventure stories that the editor is using have nothing to do with each other. It is the editor who is structuring them to get a pseudo-history out of them.
Don't know about that; I think some of them probably shared resemblances, even names and events; hence the garbled half-parallels here and there.
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Let us take another example from Acts. At the end of Acts, Paul undergoes five trials or at least gives five defenses, 1) to the Jerusalem Jews 2) to the Jewish Chief Priests and council, 3) to proconsul Felix, 4)to proconsul Porcius Festus, 5) to King Agrippa and Bernice. Each of these trials are moving to a more powerful court. Paul goes to Rome for a sixth trial where he is to plead his case under the most powerful court of all - Caesar. Yet, although the narrative tells us that this sixth trial will take place, we never get this sixth and most important trial. Paul simply goes to Rome and preaches in Rome, presumably founding the Roman Christian Church.
I am with you until this point (and it is tangential to your argument here). The narrative of Acts appears to presume that Paul did not found the church at Rome; Acts 28.14-15 assumes that there are already brethren in Rome.

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The lack of a climatic sixth trial before Caesar is certainly a narrative failure. How do we explain it?
I actually tend to agree with your explanation of the ending of Acts (or at least close enough for government work).

Yet I firmly disagree with your assessment of the Matthias incident. The narrative glitch at the end of Acts is of an inordinately different character than the selection of Matthias; the two make poor analogies for each other. For one thing, the fulfillment of a couple of psalms looks like it could be the rationale, all by itself, for the selection of a twelfth apostle to replace Judas, and indeed the author has given us the very scripture that he sees as fulfilled. The ending of Acts, OTOH, bears no such mark; what scripture does the author point to as being fulfilled in the fact that no final trial is narrated?

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