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Old 03-28-2011, 01:00 PM   #11
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None of them. They were all founded by god or satan.

Only *I* know which is which!

And *I* aint telling you!

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None of them. They were all founded by god or satan.

Only *I* know which is which!

And *I* aint telling you!

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Hey, that's a good one!

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Gday,

Nearly all religions are based on mythical figures.

Judaism : Jehovah, Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Joshua - all myths.

Greek religion in general : Zeus and other Gods - all myths

Eleusinian mysteries : Demeter and Persephone - myths

Orphism : Orpheus - myth

Roman religion : Jupiter, Hermes, Venus etc. - myths

Egyptian religion : Ra, Isis, Osiris etc. - all myths

Ancient cults : Bacchus, Aespulapius, Apollo etc. - all myths

Mithraism : Mithras - myth

Hermetica : Hermes - myth

Celtic religion : The Morrigan, Cerridwen, Brigid etc. - all myths

Norse religion : Ymir, cow Audhumla etc. - myths

Japanese traditional religion: Amaterasu etc. - myths

Aztec and Mayan : Ah Kinchil, Ah Puch etc. - all myths

Sumerian religion : An, Nanhursag, Enlil etc. - all myths

Buddhism : Buddha - probably a myth

Hinduism : Krishna - almost certainly a myth

Taoism : Lao Tsu - almost certainly a myth

Confucianism : Confucious - probably a myth

Cargo Cult : John Frum - a recent myth

Satanism etc. : Satan - a myth

Scientology : Xenu - a myth

Mormonism : Moroni - a myth

Jehovah's Witnesses : Jehovah - a myth


Considering so many religions are based on myths, perhaps it would be better to ask : how many religions have been based on someone historical ?

Bahai, maybe Islam, Rastafarianism.
A tiny few at best.


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Gday,

Nearly all religions are based on mythical figures.

Judaism : Jehovah, Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Joshua - all myths. Greek religion in general : Zeus and other Gods - all myths. Eleusinian mysteries : Demeter and Persephone - myths. Orphism : Orpheus - myth. Roman religion : Jupiter, Hermes, Venus etc. - myths. Egyptian religion : Ra, Isis, Osiris etc. - all myths. Ancient cults : Bacchus, Aespulapius, Apollo etc. - all myths. Mithraism : Mithras - myth Hermetica : Hermes - myth. Celtic religion : The Morrigan, Cerridwen, Brigid etc. - all myths. Norse religion : Ymir, cow Audhumla etc. - myths. Japanese traditional religion: Amaterasu etc. - myths. Aztec and Mayan : Ah Kinchil, Ah Puch etc. - all myths. Sumerian religion : An, Nanhursag, Enlil etc. - all myths. Buddhism : Buddha - probably a myth. Hinduism : Krishna - almost certainly a myth. Taoism : Lao Tsu - almost certainly a myth. Confucianism : Confucious - probably a myth. Cargo Cult : John Frum - a recent myth. Satanism etc. : Satan - a myth. Scientology : Xenu - a myth. Mormonism : Moroni - a myth. Jehovah's Witnesses : Jehovah - a myth

Considering so many religions are based on myths, perhaps it would be better to ask : how many religions have been based on someone historical ?

Bahai, maybe Islam, Rastafarianism.
A tiny few at best.
But fictional founders for religions would have meant none of them would have become religions, for there was no real founder to found them!
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Kapy:

You confuse founders of religions with the objects of religious belief. John Frum is not alleged to have founded the Cargo Cults. John Frum is the person whose return the cultist await. The founder was some unknown but existent native who convinced others to await the return of the possibly mythical John Frum.

Many of your other examples suffer from the same flaw in reasoning.

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Kapy:

You confuse founders of religions with the objects of religious belief. John Frum is not alleged to have founded the Cargo Cults. John Frum is the person whose return the cultist await. The founder was some unknown but existent native who convinced others to await the return of the possibly mythical John Frum.

Many of your other examples suffer from the same flaw in reasoning.

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Well, what religion did Jesus of the NT start?

Jesus of the NT was the offspring of the Holy Ghost and a Virgin.

What religion did the PHANTOM Son of God of Marcion start?

Marcion's PHANTOM Son of God came directly from heaven WITHOUT birth to Capernaum in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius.

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It was NOT the PHANTOM Son of God that started the Marcionite Cult it was Marcion who INVENTED the Phantom MYTH.

It was NOT Jesus the offspring of the Holy Ghost that started the Jesus cult IT WAS SOME uknown writer or writers that INVENTED the Jesus MYTH.

Now, LISTEN to Justin Martyr. He will tell us how RELIGIONS may have been started in antiquity based on Marcion.

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And, as we said before, the devils put forward Marcion of Pontus, who..... preaches another god besides the Creator of all, and likewise another son.

And this man many have believed, as if he alone knew the truth, and laugh at us, though they have no proof of what they say, but are carried away irrationally as lambs by a wolf, and become the prey of atheistical doctrines, and of devils.
Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost was just ANOTHER Son of God story Invented by the UKNOWN who had NO proof of what they wrote.

Can somebody prove or demonstrate that Jesus of the NT ACTUALLY started a cult? And what century?
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Kapy:
You confuse founders of religions with the objects of religious belief.
The OP did that - using both "founded" and "based on".

But as we all know it is NOT possible for a fictional person to FOUND a religion; and indeed the JM theory does NOT claim that Jesus founded Christianity.

Instead I interpreted it to mean fictional/mythical figures on whom a religion was based - a plausible situation and the exact situation that JMicism claims for Jesus.

And sure enough - the vast majority of religions are based on mythical figures, just like the JM theory says about Jesus.

So history, and Occam's Razor, support a mythical Jesus.


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But fictional founders for religions would have meant none of them would have become religions, for there was no real founder to found them!
Yes indeed.

However the vast majority of religions were BASED on myths - which is the issue here. But as the OP confused "founded" with "based on", this confusion will go on for pages yet :-(


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But fictional founders for religions would have meant none of them would have become religions, for there was no real founder to found them!
Yes indeed.

However the vast majority of religions were BASED on myths - which is the issue here. But as the OP confused "founded" with "based on", this confusion will go on for pages yet :-(
Interpreting the OP strictly, you'd have to look through your list and see which of those mythical entities were claimed to have founded their own religions.

Of course, being a lazy SOB, I can't be bothered. :Cheeky:

Oh actually, as Roger suggests, Hermes does spring to mind immediately - in some of the Discourses, he's the one giving the very teaching that constitutes the "religion" of Hermeticism. Roger is right on the money with Rosicrucianism too, as a fairly recent example.
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But fictional founders for religions would have meant none of them would have become religions, for there was no real founder to found them!
Yes indeed.

However the vast majority of religions were BASED on myths - which is the issue here. But as the OP confused "founded" with "based on", this confusion will go on for pages yet :-(
It appeared to me as a conflation rather than confusion, a conflation a lot of people make. You've heard it frequently, "how can christianity have started if Jesus were a myth?" A lot of our hystericists flog this canard, conflating founder with central figure of the religion.
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