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mountainman · 10-04-2011, 06:52 PM

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Jewish scholars are trying to appropriate a major cultural symbol. I have no problem with that effort.

So, on the one hand we have Jewish scholarship, and on the other we have paganist/Christianist/mythicist scholarship. Let's let people choose for themselves.

Let's see people get an interest in scholarship that addresses the ancient historical evidence itself rather than what appears to be nationalistic rhetoric about scholarship. It might be useful to start a list of "Claimed Evidence". We can put the books of the canonical new testament at the top of the list. In second position we might put Eusebius's "Church History". In third position we might put the palaeographically dated Oxyrynchus papyri fragments. etc etc

aa5874 · 10-04-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

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Originally Posted by Toto

Jewish scholars are trying to appropriate a major cultural symbol. I have no problem with that effort.

So, on the one hand we have Jewish scholarship, and on the other we have paganist/Christianist/mythicist scholarship. Let's let people choose for themselves.

I really don't understand how the moderators have allowed you to blatantly violate the rules.

But, this is Jesus in gJohn talking to JEWS.

John 8:44 -

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Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it....

Isn't this a bit hypocritical?

When Jesus was supposedly alive the Jews was the ONLY nation that probably did NOT worship men as Gods.

Did NOT Jesus know that the JEWS supposedly WORSHIPED his own father?

The JEWS were hated for WORSHIPING the supposed father of Jesus and still Jesus tells the Jews that their father is the Devil.

"Antiquities of the Jews" 18.3.1

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..1. BUT now Pilate, the procurator of Judea, removed the army from Cesarea to Jerusalem, to take their winter quarters there, in order to abolish the Jewish laws.................. Pilate was the first who brought those images to Jerusalem, and set them up there........ as soon as they knew it, they came in multitudes to Cesarea, and interceded with Pilate many days that he would remove the images; and when he would not grant their requests........and threatened that their punishment should be no less than immediate death, unless they would leave off disturbing him, and go their ways home.

But they threw themselves upon the ground, and laid their necks bare, and said they would take their death very willingly, rather than the wisdom of their laws should be transgressed, upon which Pilate was deeply affected with their firm resolution to keep their laws inviolable, and presently commanded the images to be carried back from Jerusalem to Cesarea....

Did Jesus take part in the movement against Pilate to have the Efiigies removed from the TEMPLE of Jesus own father, the God of the JEWS?

Where was Jesus on that day?

No Robots have to explain who Jesus was?

How did No Robots find out that Jesus was a Jew?

What source did he use?

In the NT, Jesus told the JEWS their was father was the devil, a murderer and a liar.

But the father of Jesus is the same as the Jews.

No Robots · 10-04-2011, 08:27 PM

Heh. Ya know what, aa5874? Sometimes I think you're the only guy around here I shouldn't put on ignore.

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No Robots Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 5,679	Heh. Ya know what, aa5874? Sometimes I think you're the only guy around here I shouldn't put on ignore.

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