Magus55

Sure it does. Its what we strive to do as follower's of Christ, and it affects the afterlife.



But why did Muhammed's followers stay together? For 1) Muhammed offered them things they want. The Islamic Heaven is the autobiography of Muhammed's violence driven, sex obsessed life. 2) Muhammed killed those who disagreed with him. 3) Muhammed never claimed to be God in the first place. He never claimed that He would rise from the dead, or perform miracles, or bring people to Heaven. His death didn't really affect what He taught.

And as was pointed out, the Jews had many Messiah's come. Did Arabs have that many? Its one thing if you have many Messiah's, and if 49 don't fulfill their promise or teach the truth, you aren't gonna be too enthusiastic about the 50th that would probably do the same thing. Did the Arabs have that many Messiah's? ( although Muhammed wasn't even a Messiah, so not even he counts). If you see one claiming incredible things, when he doesn't even need to do anything to prove it ( since he never claimed anything about himself), its not as hard to accept.

Baidarka

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Originally Posted by QueenofSwords
How was it offered to Aborigines who died before the white man reached Australia with guns and bibles?

Mageth- "They, of course, were perfectly capable of looking at the scorched interior of Australia and thus deduce the existence of the Christian God."

I've posted this before but it is such a clear example of the real pain that this kind of arrogant thinking can cause that I just have to post it again.


In 1898 Dr. Fridtjof Nansen published his book Eskimo Life. Chapter XIV is titled The Introduction of Christianity.



Here is a quote from that Chapter. The story is quoted from another book by a Christian Missionary named Paul Egede



“A girl was beaten by her priest, ‘because she could not believe that God was so cruel as he represented him to be; he had said that all her forefathers were with Tornarssuk, and were to be tortured for eternity, because they did not know God.’ She tried to defend them by suggesting that they knew no better, whereupon he lost his temper; and when she at last said ‘ that it was horrible for her to learn that God was so terribly angry with those who sinned that he could never forgive them, as even wicked men will sometimes do,’ he gave her a beating.�

Mageth

So did Jesus, correct?

And the Christian heaven (and much of their doctrine) is the "autobiography" of the Christian God's obsession with sex as the ultimate evil. And, IIRC, there's quite a bit of violence depicted in Revelation and other Christian end-times scriptures.

Early Islam was quite accepting of both Judaism and Christianity. Read your history.

Umm, so what? The tenets of Islam are different than Christianity; we all know that.

Queen of Swords

According to the bible, all your good deeds are as filthy rags. So my point stands.

How so? Will you get a smaller mansion in heaven, perhaps with one less swimming pool, if you don't do as many good deeds as possible?

Shifting the goalposts again? The point isn't why they stayed together, the point is that you claimed a messiah's followers didn't normally stay together after the messiah died. Motivation had nothing to do with your initial claim.

If that's true, he sounds a lot like the god of the bible, come to think about it.

Exactly like the god of the bible.

He didn't need to. It's obvious.

dado

total fantasy. nowhere in there does it say G-d killed an animal for them.

SkyDancer_0202

refusing in what way?

'The Christ' aka 'the messiah' aka 'the expected king and deliverer of the Jews'? I'm not Jewish, so there isn't anything for me to accept or reject. I don't need reasons, the question simply doesn't apply to me.

Warthur

If he did, there'd be a little matter of six million Jews wanting a word with him. He wouldn't exactly have a fun time of it...

Magus55

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

And if we read the concordance, skins refers to the hide of an animal.

Mageth

Where does it say God killed an animal for them?

God could have created the skins ex nihilo, or out of dust, could he not?

dado

that was neither my question nor your very specific claim. where does it say G-d killed the animals for their hides?