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Old 06-08-2004, 12:59 AM   #301
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And yet Jesus said, "Be ye therefore perfect, as your father in heaven is perfect."

This must be the dozenth time the bible has contradicted you.
I think you're aiming too low, it's probably more in the triple digits by now.
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i'm not familiar with any incident in the x'ian texts that documents this. do you have a chapter:verse reference?
Okelly Dokelly.

I have actually already discussed it with you in this thread...

In Mark 2, Jesus breaks the Sabbath Law by gathering food from the fields on the sabbath (since they weren't his fields, this also potentially breaks the anti-theft law too). When challenged about this, he defends himself by claiming that (and I paraphrase here) '...the sabbath was meant for man, not man for the sabbath'.

In both Matthew 12 and Luke 6, the story is expanded. Not only does Jesus gather food, he also heals a blind man.

Then, in John 9, the story is repeated a third time. This time the food gathering is dropped, which leaves only the healing act.

Your response at the time was only to the John 9 version (the version I first brought up) and you said (quite fairly) that healing someone could not be considered to break the sabbath.

I then brought up the other, earlier, versions, but the thread quickly dropped off the front page, so you probably didn't see what I posted...
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So you think it would make sense and be realistic if a human could just earn their way to perfection?
As often as Magus infuriates or just amuses me, this one takes the cake.

I can't even figure out how it makes me feel. I'm just like, wtf Magus? Maybe twenty years ago I would have asked if I could have some of what you're smoking, but now I'm just like, wtf?
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In that case, I redefine any sin that I might have committed as "calamity", and I am also perfectly good.
:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

I, for one, can vouch for QoS' perfect goodness.

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Although Pervy Hobbit Fancier tried to satisfy Gospelog2's unpleasant challenge, he/she still didn't return... Maybe I should take the blame for that since I pointed out the misspelling of his/her state (although Alabamba does have a ring to it). The shame may have been too much.
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LOL !!

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Now I got my top 3 reasons.

1. I don't have the slightest clue what God is supposed to be. Without that I can't believe - not even theoretically.

2. I don't have the slightest clue how you "accept Christ."


And in response to this post reason no. 3


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There is no equivalent because there is no crime against humanity severe enough. Sin however is so severe a crime against God, that permanent separation from Him is the only option.


3. God does seem to be a little bit spiteful and vindictive. Nothing to be seem of the unconditional love his toadies - sorry followers - are so mad about. Reeks of hypocrisy.
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Eh, Lord Emsworth! How're things with the Empress of Blandings? And how are YEW, after all these decades?


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He is just substituting a euphemism for evil in order to soften the meaning of the original scripture.
And that's not rationalising?


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Christians don't seem to think the problem of evil is strong enough to reject their faith,
Yes, and I find that strange, considering the nature of the God portrayed in the OT.

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[QUOTE=Pervy Hobbit Fancier]Okelly Dokelly.

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In Mark 2 Jesus breaks the Sabbath Law by gathering food from the fields on the sabbath...since they weren't his fields, this also potentially breaks the anti-theft law too).
it has to be assumed whoever wrote that was unfamiliar with mosaic law, becaues mosaic law explicitly allows the gathering of food from other people's fields if you have no food of your own and if the food is for personal consumption. no theft implications at all, access to food is a basic human right and nobody has the right to make someone else starve. and since you can't take such food ahead of time - and nobody is expected to starve on Shabbat - this wouldn't be a Shabbat violation either.

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In both Matthew 12 and Luke 6, the story is expanded. Not only does Jesus gather food, he also heals a blind man.
as (apparently I) posted elsewhere healing isn't a Shabbat violation either. 911 in Israel doesn't shut down every 7th day, lol.

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I then brought up the other, earlier, versions, but the thread quickly dropped off the front page, so you probably didn't see what I posted...
there are a lot of threads here... apologies for not keeping a closer tab on your response, thanks for the taking the time.
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