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Old 03-02-2004, 05:52 PM   #41
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The movie will be released here at Easter...
I will not go to see it, because I am sure I will not be able to stop laughing throughout. (And Gibbon will not receive one cent from me.) You see, in all movies the "dead" ones are rising again immediately after the end clap of the scene. And here the dead one is rising before the end of the movie as if there is no end clap! How funny.

More seriously, I have one question. In the movie, what is the answer of Josué to Pilatus when the later is asking: Are you the king of the Jews? And how is the answer interpreted, according to Mr. Gibbon's gospel?

By the way, it seems that it is not only Latin which is massacred, but also Aramaic. And Jews were speaking Hebrew, not Aramaic, but that is part of the xian propaganda (that they should speak Aramaic).

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The movie will be released here at Easter...
I will not go to see it, because I am sure I will not be able to stop laughing throughout. (And Gibbon will not receive one cent from me.) You see, in all movies the "dead" ones are rising again immediately after the end clap of the scene. And here the dead one is rising before the end of the movie as if there is no end clap! How funny.

More seriously, I have one question. In the movie, what is the answer of Josué to Pilatus when the later is asking: Are you the king of the Jews? And how is the answer interpreted, according to Mr. Gibbon's gospel?

By the way, it seems that it is not only Latin which is massacred, but also Aramaic. And Jews were speaking Hebrew, not Aramaic, but that is part of the xian propaganda (that they should speak Aramaic).

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Personally I thought Edward Gibbon wrote a great book.

Here is something from a Sydney newspaper you guys may enjoy.



Test your Aramaic


British Aramaic experts probably thought this day would never come, but finally someone has knocked on their door, asking for help with a few basic phrases.

With their aid, London's The Guardian newspaper has compiled utterances that might come in handy when watching Mel Gibson's film The Passion of the Christ. Fans of Gibson's earlier work might mumble: "B-kheeruut re'yaaneyh laa kaaley tsuuraathaa khteepaathaa, ellaa Zaynaa Mqatlaanaa Trayaanaa laytaw!" ("It may be uncompromising in its liberal use of graphic violence, but Lethal Weapon II it ain't.")

Those subject to its alleged anti-Semitism might defend themselves thus: "Een, Yuudaayaa naa, ellaa b-haw yawmaa laa hweeth ba-mdeetaa." ("Yes, I'm Jewish, but I wasn't there that day.")

And this for viewers who had hoped for something lighter: "Ma'hed lee qalleel d-Khayey d-Breeyaan, ellaa dlaa gukhkaa." ("It sort of reminds me of Life of Brian, but it's nowhere near as funny.") Or this for devotees of the source text: "Ktaabaa taab hwaa meneyh." ("It's not as good as the book.") .
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Here's the full article on useful Aramaic.

What's popcorn in Aramaic?
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I found this review of "the Passion" by one William Cork, a former Lutheran minister who converted to Catholicism, which discusses both the movie's positive aspects as well as its problems and biblical inaccuracies.
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What about the social themes?

The Romans were "The Empire," "the Jews" were the oppressed.

Now read it like this.

The supreme Romans are depicted as the more benevolent force, who's hand is forced against its will by the Jews.

Hmm...

Anti-Israeli?

It can also be seen as viewing the dominate imperial force in a better light and completely deminishing the idea of the struggle of the oppressed against the Empire, instead picturing the oppressed as just savages who are inferior because of their own shortcommings.

A commentary on American attitudes, and why is resonates so well with America, like "Lord of the Rings?"
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Just thought of this:

FOX NEWS:

"This just in: The Passision as huge hit in Iraq!"

Let's go to on location:

"Yes Sean, Christian missionaries have been looking for ways to approach the Iraqs with the "Good News," and it Seems that Gel Mibson is giving them a helping hand.

The Passion has been a big hit here in Iraq and the lines at the Christion Missions have been growing, with more Iraqis curious about this faith. They are learing that it turns out they have more in common with Christianity that they once thought!"
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