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EarlOfLade · 06-21-2006, 01:07 PM

Wisdumb.... A number doesn't say anything about the quality or the size of the apple, it is just (in this case) used to count how many, not how good the apples are.

And science is much more suitable to explain why things happen than a mytical wizard in the sky.

tonan22 · 06-21-2006, 01:13 PM

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well since you guys think science and math are it, well sorry to say it but even math and science are wrong because they are not accurate and can never be accurate.

LOL!

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For instance, we are called homo sapiens because we possess certain similair biolgical traits.

THAT'S why we're called homo sapiens?

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But as science has shown, no two things in the universe are 100% the same, .

Um, you just said science was wrong and innacurate.

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therefore, the concept of humanity is just a representation not an accurate description. No two things in the world are exactly the same that includes people, animals, trees, atoms, etc. Based on this any science or math that proposes universal laws is incorrect by this definition. Even 1 + 1=2 is only symbolic.

Oh my goodness. I quit.

SpellStitchedNerd · 06-21-2006, 01:16 PM

Science isn't about finding "proof" or being absolutely correct. It is about finding the best representation of reality. So until we have 100% knowledge about everything, science will always be wrong at some level. On the other hand, science's ability to predict outcomes (and thus create items that rely on such predictions) is vastly superior to any other belief system in existance.

Should we break out Yahzi basebal bat of reality to prove our point? You can say that it is not really a baseball bat as it is not perfect and science can not know everything about it, but I will use science to predict that when I whack you on the knee, it will hurt.

Wisdumb · 06-21-2006, 01:19 PM

"Wisdumb.... A number doesn't say anything about the quality or the size of the apple, it is just (in this case) used to count how many, not how good the apples are."
I never said anything about size, shape, or how "good" the apple is, you obviously didn;t understand the point. The point is that no two apples or things in existence are 100% the same on a molecular level or any other level. Therefore, to add one apple plus one apple is impossible. You wont wind up with two apples, you'll just wind up with 2 different things that best symbolize our definition of apples. Its not perfect.

No one ever said anything about a wizard in the sky. Only people who take things at surface level and dont read into them and try to find a deeper understanding believe that.

Magus55 · 06-21-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MythFree

And 'God' is an ancient mythological concept invented before our brains were capable of understanding the math and science of our reality.

Since Math and Science are outside the realm of God, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Kassiana · 06-21-2006, 01:41 PM

So are facetious and trichotillomania, which I prefer as words. They're far more interesting.

MythFree · 06-21-2006, 02:44 PM

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Since Math and Science are outside the realm of God, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Everything's outside the realm of 'God' because there is no "god".

Magus55 · 06-21-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MythFree

Everything's outside the realm of 'God' because there is no "god".

You mean you believe there is no God. You certainly don't know it for a fact, and have no evidence to support that assertion.

windsofchange · 06-21-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisdumb

Even 1 + 1=2 is only symbolic. Because 2 implies that 1 and 1 are the same when in fact they can never be. example 1 apple plus 1 apple is 2 apples. That is not true because no two apples are the same, we only label them apples because they share just enough characteritics to be labeled what we define as apples.

If you have 1 bad apple and 1 good apple, you have 2 apples.

If you have one red apple and 1 green apple, you have 2 apples.

If you have one moldy worm-ridden apple and 1 pristine untouched apple, you have 2 apples.

One plus one equals two, no matter what each one looks like.

JEST2ASK · 06-21-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

You mean you believe there is no God. You certainly don't know it for a fact, and have no evidence to support that assertion.

Hello Magus55, :wave: on one level I agree with you .....

I am of the opinion / belief that all gods are only constructs / concepts of human minds ... I am willing to change that opinion if you can provide evidence (reasonable, objective not absolute) that the diety (god,godess singular or plural ) you believe in does not fall into that category.

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MythFree Just like Santa, both are comforting ideas at times but both are fictional constructs of the human imagination.

I have just written string of 31 digits have god read the paper ... I am posting the number to site you can link if you want to take the challenge for your god .... or you can provide other verfication

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06-21-2006, 01:07 PM	#11
EarlOfLade Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 5,310	Wisdumb.... A number doesn't say anything about the quality or the size of the apple, it is just (in this case) used to count how many, not how good the apples are. And science is much more suitable to explain why things happen than a mytical wizard in the sky.

06-21-2006, 01:16 PM	#13
SpellStitchedNerd Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Issaquah, WA, USA Posts: 90	Science isn't about finding "proof" or being absolutely correct. It is about finding the best representation of reality. So until we have 100% knowledge about everything, science will always be wrong at some level. On the other hand, science's ability to predict outcomes (and thus create items that rely on such predictions) is vastly superior to any other belief system in existance. Should we break out Yahzi basebal bat of reality to prove our point? You can say that it is not really a baseball bat as it is not perfect and science can not know everything about it, but I will use science to predict that when I whack you on the knee, it will hurt.

06-21-2006, 01:19 PM	#14
Wisdumb Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: United States Posts: 103	"Wisdumb.... A number doesn't say anything about the quality or the size of the apple, it is just (in this case) used to count how many, not how good the apples are." I never said anything about size, shape, or how "good" the apple is, you obviously didn;t understand the point. The point is that no two apples or things in existence are 100% the same on a molecular level or any other level. Therefore, to add one apple plus one apple is impossible. You wont wind up with two apples, you'll just wind up with 2 different things that best symbolize our definition of apples. Its not perfect. No one ever said anything about a wizard in the sky. Only people who take things at surface level and dont read into them and try to find a deeper understanding believe that.

06-21-2006, 01:41 PM	#16
Kassiana Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: USA Posts: 5,046	So are facetious and trichotillomania, which I prefer as words. They're far more interesting.

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