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Old 05-31-2009, 04:10 PM   #31
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Evidence #48

Oldest Copy of John's Gospel

In 1956 the world learned of the existence of a copy of the Gospel of John that had been penned in Greek on papyrus sometime between AD 150-200.

This early copy has proved invaluable to Bible scholars and translators for helping to reconstruct the most accurate Greek text possible of the Gopspel of John.
One little fragment (P52) does not prove anything, especially since the Gospel of John if the latest Gospel.

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Evidence #28

The Jerusalem Temple of Jesus' Day (Herod's Temple)

In 1968 excavations commenced in the area of the south retaining wall of the temple mt in Jerusalem.

This work has uncovered much of this part of the temple as it was in Jesus's day. It is unknown which entrance to the temple Mt Jesus & his disciples used in Mk 11, Mt 211, & John 2,5. Lk 1:9 mentions the priests custom of burning incense when he went into the Temple of the Lord.

This discovered is significant in that it provides yet more archaeological evidence that the Bible is true.

My resource has photographs of many of these discoveries to validate the Bible. None of these are available on the web. these are just 50, but there are many books that provide far more archaeological discoveries with photos to validate the Bible.
No, secular history does not reasonably verify supernatural history. Many myths mention real people and places.
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I can't post the entire list so we shall start with 1-2.

Evidence #48

Oldest Copy of John's Gospel

In 1956 the world learned of the existence of a copy of the Gospel of John that had been penned in Greek on papyrus sometime between AD 150-200.

This early copy has proved invaluable to Bible scholars and translators for helping to reconstruct the most accurate Greek text possible of the Gopspel of John.
One little fragment (P52) does not prove anything, especially since the Gospel of John if the latest Gospel.

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Evidence #28

The Jerusalem Temple of Jesus' Day (Herod's Temple)

In 1968 excavations commenced in the area of the south retaining wall of the temple mt in Jerusalem.

This work has uncovered much of this part of the temple as it was in Jesus's day. It is unknown which entrance to the temple Mt Jesus & his disciples used in Mk 11, Mt 211, & John 2,5. Lk 1:9 mentions the priests custom of burning incense when he went into the Temple of the Lord.

This discovered is significant in that it provides yet more archaeological evidence that the Bible is true.

My resource has photographs of many of these discoveries to validate the Bible. None of these are available on the web. these are just 50, but there are many books that provide far more archaeological discoveries with photos to validate the Bible.
No, secular history does not reasonably verify supernatural history. Many myths mention real people and places.
If the Bible is a myth and God does not exist how in the world did this earth get here? How did I get here? Watch the film called A Privileged Planet (or via: amazon.co.uk) and my oh my I dont understand how anyone can go away from that film and doubt that God created the world and the universe.
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If the Bible is a myth and God does not exist how in the world did this earth get here?
Maybe Islam is true.

Maybe Buddhism is true.

Maybe Hinduism is true.

Maybe Native American religions are true.

The only two options aren't "Christianity or atheism".
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If the Bible is a myth and God does not exist? How in the world did this earth get here? How did I get here?
But I am an agnostic, not an atheist. In addition, billions of non-Christian theists and Deists already believe in intelligent design, but they reject the supernatural claims in the Bible.

I said "Secular history does not reasonably verify supernatural history. Many myths mention real people and places." That certainly is not a case against intelligent design.
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Hey look, Bill, I responded to you first.

Please respond to my posts, rather than getting side tracked.

We can get onto how we know that Bobby Henderson didn't intuit that the FSM didn't create this earth later.

Go back to post 2, please, and refute it if you can.

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If the Bible is a myth and God does not exist how in the world did this earth get here?
Maybe Islam is true.

Maybe Buddhism is true.

Maybe Hinduism is true.

Maybe Native American religions are true.

The only two options aren't "Christianity or atheism".
This is one of my favorite gospel tracts that I like to pass out to the lost regarding those religions.

But please this is OT. My last word on this issue.

http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org...iew_page_1.htm

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Maybe Islam is true.

Maybe Buddhism is true.

Maybe Hinduism is true.

Maybe Native American religions are true.

The only two options aren't "Christianity or atheism".
This is one of my favorite gospel tracts that I like to pass out to the lost regarding those religions.

But please this is OT. My last word on this issue.

http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org...iew_page_1.htm

Would you please stop sidetracking, and get back to my posts 2 and 5?

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I disthink that you want to claim that if god exists, then theistic evolution is true. Theistic evolution is that God helped evolution create the diversity of life. If a god exists, then non-theistic evolution is still true and theistic evolution false.
There is naturalistic evolution, and theistic evolution. Regarding the former, God is not involved. Regarding the latter, God is involved. Bill Joey rejects both possibilities. He believes that the story of Adam and Eve is true.

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http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2...ource-list.php

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Humans and chimps share an extensive collection of particular genetic markers. For example, our DNA shares with that of other primates a vast catalogue of genetic parasites--several million in number, comprising 50% of the human genome--that provide a consistent outline of primate evolutionary relationships. Remarkable studies using the 'Alu' genetic parasite as an evolutionary marker have been done by Salem A-H, Ray DA, Xing J et al
(2003). Alu elements and hominid phylogenetics. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 100, 12787; Xing JC, Salem AH, Hedges DJ et al (2003). Comprehensive analysis of two Alu Yd subfamilies. J Mol Evol 57 Suppl 1, S76. The shared history to which such common markers testify establishes conclusively that human and chimp genomes have been copied from the same line of ancestors. It is a conclusion that we must live with. And when the details of the chimp genome are published with great fanfare in the scientific literature and the popular media, it is a conclusion for which we must give a Christian interpretation.
It is no wonder that so many Christian biologists know that the Bible is not inerrant.

If the God of the Bible does not exist, that explains the copied genes. If the God of the Bible does exist, that does not explain why he confusingly copied a lot of chimpanzee genes when he created Adam and Eve.

If the God of the Bible does not exist, it is not strange that there is homosexuality in over 500 species of animals and birds, and possibly in 100% of species of primates.
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I need to buy one of Geisler's apologetic books or another apologetic book that will me understand these things. I am by default a preacher so please forgive me for my ignorance of that term. Please explain. thanks..


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If the Bible is a myth and God does not exist? How in the world did this earth get here? How did I get here?
But I am an agnostic, not an atheist. In addition, billions of non-Christian theists and Deists already believe in intelligent design, but they reject the supernatural claims in the Bible.

I said "Secular history does not reasonably verify supernatural history. Many myths mention real people and places." That certainly is not a case against intelligent design.
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I thought I answered that post?

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This is one of my favorite gospel tracts that I like to pass out to the lost regarding those religions.

But please this is OT. My last word on this issue.

http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org...iew_page_1.htm

Would you please stop sidetracking, and get back to my posts 2 and 5?

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