cheetah

I couldn't agree with this more. I think a good percentage of pro-lifers have these feelings deep down, even though they may profess only to care for the life of the "baby." The reason I truly believe this is that pro-life organizations and people busy themselves with the LEAST productive way of preventing abortions, which is by force. They would be a lot more productive (as evidenced by the situation in other countries) if they put their resources toward stopping unwanted pregnancies. They would accomplish the same thing, maybe even more efficiently, so why don't they do it? Because what they really care is sexual puritanism, particularly for females. So, I marked others, as I feel it is more about sexual oppression.

cheetah

Maybe they themselves don't lead sexually repressed lives, but that doesn't stop them from wanting to oppress others. typically, Christians believe sex outside marriage is wrong and are more than willing to stick their noses in other people's private business and say this. They don't like other people doing it, whether it results in pregnany or not. But, if it results in pregnancy, it is an opportunity to have the people punished that have been doing something evil, in their eyes. I believe some Christians are against preventing unwanted pregnancies, as I talked about above, because it would actually allow people to feel more comfortable having sex with whomever, whenever. Even at the risk of killing lots of "babies" which they are purportedyl against, they'll prevent increased education about sex and just keep fighting against abortion only. They want to have their cake and eat it too!

truelies

How many traditional/fundie/devout Christians have you ever bothered to try to actually get know as real people as opposed to engaging in flaming contests on bulletin boards or perhaps judging people based on urban legends circulated by folks with a vested economic interest (Planned Parenthood) in defaming their opponents? I am a fairly typical traditional/fundie sort of xian and your description totally misses me and most xians I know. Heck I can hardly remember the last time l had an opportunity to fit oppressing some innocent free thinker into my busy bigot's day.

Biff the unclean

And like a typical fundie no matter what you do, no matter how you behave yoy think it's just swell. I just told a story above abuot this very attitude

And you decided to come and post on an Atheist board because.....?

Loren Pechtel

Originally posted by truelies
The best and most effective Pro-Life work is done by those who recognise that by and large the woman is as much of a victim to be as is the child in her womb. Most of those who 'choose' to abort do so in the belief that they truly have no better alternative in an impossible/unbearable situation. Providng workable alternatives in a loving and compassionate manner does in fact change hearts and minds without denying moral free will.

How, by pretending to help? She will need help for 18 years, not a few months!

As to issues regarding birth control or human sexuality in general- most of the Pro-lifers I know (and I expect that I know a broader range of such folks than 90% of those who post here) it is a myth that there is great opposition to birth control for consenting adults or for minors with parental permission. Opposition in the public realm is largely to the tax paid funding of what should be a private healthcare expenditure. True I know many couples who in their own lives who do not use barrier or chemical birth control for what they regard as good and sufficient medical and moral reasons which they will endorse within the walls of the Church but without (in the vast majority of cases) the expectation that the State should compel their pagan (secular) neighbors to follow suit. As to christians leading sexually repressed lives -BWAHAAAAAAAAAAAA you have not a clue dear secular reader if you believe that urban legend.

Parental consent?! Sorry--that's saying that exactly those who need it won't get it.

As for sexually repressed lives--yes. Why do you protest things like adult bookstores?

Loren Pechtel

PP is a non-profit and in general runs at a loss (donations make up the difference.) What vested interest do they have in more sex problems?!

cheetah

A lot. My old best friend was a traditional baptist and I lived in an area where almost everyone was christian. I thought I was weird for having doubts at first. In fact, I was very discriminated against for my lack of belief, amongst all the other tough things teens have to deal with. So, I speak from some of all the experiences you listed and, as always, am only speaking about a asegment of the Christian pro-life population. You'll notice I didn't say something like, "Every last one of those pro-life Christians thinks...."

truelies

PP operates the largest chain of Abortion Clinics in the USA. Non-profit or not a large number of people draw lush meal tickets from the continued prosperity of PP. Since most of these folks enjoy eating just like the rest of us I am sure that they will do what they must to keep those fees, donations and lets not forget Government Grants and Contracts pouring in. Don't think for a minute that 'following the money' does not lead to the true interests/motivations of the non-profit/charitable sector just as well as it does with for profir business or Government Agencies. In fact follow the money works for just about everyone short of the level of affluence which is past even the remote 'I want' level of materialism. Then the goal becomes Power over others IMHO of course.

phil

There are always radical people out there, but that tells nothing of the morality of a subject.

Why do people get abortions? Because they can't afford a kid, because they don't want a kid, because they don't want to get caught, becuase they don't want the responsibility of raising a child?

So selfish. Abortion is taking away someone's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, just so someone else can be comfortable. Come on, people on death row get more respect than the unborn.

If there is any reason the person does not want a child, they can have the baby and have it adopted. What is wrong with doing that? Is that not a better alternative?

-phil

Biff the unclean

It is interesting the image of themselves RtLers present on this board.
Yet all of us who have been involved with them on both coasts and in between have all had experiences that were consistent with one another. In the months that I spent "escorting" in New York City I got to stand around and talk to hundreds of them. I found that there wasn't a very wide range in these folks. "Cut from the same cloth" is the phrase that comes to mind. They even spoke using the same set of cliches.