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Old 04-18-2005, 03:18 AM   #61
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Are you sure about that figure? I know that part of Antarctica is extends into the Southern Temperate Zone(just), but I'm very skeptical of the whacky-tobaccy's existence there just the same.
Absolutely possitive, sir. Marijuana will even grow underwater if you choose to do so. It ,as well, puts off a different light refraction than any other plant on the face of the earth. That's why the feds use the F.L.I.R. (forward looking infra-red) system from helicopters to find it growing outside. I have read a book published by Ed Rosenthal where they showed how to grow pot in antartica by taking advantage of the long periods of daylight. It is, from a botanical stand point, an amazingly versitile plant. Even if you disagree with folk's smoking it one would have to admit that attempting to wipe out this plant is denying the world of a natural resourse. Hemp was outlawed by politicians who had strong ties with the Dupont family in the late 1920's. It posed a threat to the entire fiber industry because of it's versitility and the ability to grow it incredibly fast and cheap. Cannabis is a latin term meaning "canvas". Which was used to fashion sail's for tradeships.

Former New York mayor Laguardia was put in charge of determining the danger of Marijuana by a fed named Harry J. Annslinger in the early 1930's. His finding was that marijuana posed no more of a threat than alchohol. He did note however that hemp seed oil could refined into a clean burning fuel. Nevertheless Annslinger succeeded in abolishing it and the laws have remained on the book's ever since. Probably way more than you care to know. Now if only I could put my studies towards a more fruitful subject.

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Old 04-18-2005, 03:34 AM   #62
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Does weed really kill your brain cells at an abnormal rate?
NO it does not kill brain cell one and there is no scientific evidence to the contrary. Alchohol does kill brain cells. It triggers the dopamine glands in the brain (hense the word dope) providing the euphoria. There are over 400 yet unidentified physco-active chemical's that join in with the tetrahydrocarbinol. That is why different strains of marijauna produce a wide range of effect's. The "Partnership for a drug free america" is the group responsible for spreading this misnomer through many television ads you have seen on T.V. One of which in the early 1990's was yanked from the air for a grossly misleading ad in which they showed a student sitting at a desk taking a test while hooked to a brain wave machine. When the student took a hit off the joint they panned the camera to to brain wave graph and showed that of a terminaly brain dead person. The partners that make up the Partnership For A Drug Free America consist of (and this is true) alchohol companies, prescription drug manufacturer's, and big tobacco corp's. Now why do you figure that is?????
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Old 04-18-2005, 04:07 AM   #63
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why should the effect on humans be the evolutionary reason for the existance of THC? what doe the chemical actually do for the plant. answer that first. It's side effects on humans are principally irrelevant, since all chemicals will have some effect on body function, for example if you were to ingest a polar bear liver, it would kill you, however polar bear livers did not evolve in order to kill you, they evolved to keep the polar bear alive. killing you is just a side effect of you doing something that the liver was not principally intended for.

he does raise an interesting question though, what does THC actually do for the plant?
THC is oil based and it is produced during the later flowering stage to catch male pollen and fertillize the female thus producing the seed. That is why sensimillia(or seedless) female marijauna buds are the most potent. The best buds are produced by disallowing the female flower to be pollenated thus causing a rampant production of the oil known as THC. As far as the relavence of evolution is concerned I do not think the plant itself has been through much of a noteable change aside from cross pollenation and the use of advanced growing like hydroponic's. Human evolution aided by marijauna?? Naa, I can't see that being much of a valid point. I believe however that many people who are simply stressed out could benifit from it as opposed to using prescrition drug's like prozac. But I think anyone who claim's human's have derived an evolutionary bonus from pot has benn smoking too much of the afore mentioned HYDRO. I think this subject has about run it's course and this is turning into the high times discussion board. Sorry to the MOD if I have strayed off the beaten path but as an ardent smoker I just get so pissed when folk's paint weed as this destructive evil substance to be lumped in with crack, meth, and X.

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Darn! What was the name of that book? the one about how clever plants are... The guy says that pot uses us to insure and enhance its survival. What was the guy's name? He says these plants develop psychoactive substances that animals fall in love with and then evolve into farmers so they will grow and tend the stuff thus insuring its survival. The plant just sits there soaking up sunshine while we do all the work. The way the plant looks at it, we're not addicted to smoking it, we're addicted to the plants survival so we can keep smoking it. I think he said this about potatoes, too... except for the smoking part. These plants manipulate our minds so we become their slaves. We end up depending on their chemicals in order to experience any pleasure at all and there's something about how they affect our memory... what was it?....
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Getting stoned does not have to be due to an evolutionary advantage in order to exist.
Unless you can explain why getting stoned is an evolutionary advantage, evolutionism is false.
Now I remember! It's called "The Botany of Desire" by Micheal Pollan.
Check it out!
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I can see your point. Everybody is asking for a point, but I can see it clearly. Let me state it for you:

Unless you can explain why getting stoned is an evolutionary advantage, evolutionism is false.

Is this not what you have been trying to say, V7?
No.
Hmm. Okay, I totally misunderstood your intent then. My sincere apologies. Back to lurking.
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Well I am not one of "those biblical fundamentalists who mash up the text". I have studied it carefully and closely, while being cautious about my statements regarding the text in general. The text itself is a language in and of itself. The reason for your problem for 'translating everything into scientific-sound jargon' may be required to some extent "by the said bible-text-mashing fundamentalists" regarding debate.
I suspect I've misunderstood you here. If the bible is it's own language, how can it refer to anything meaningful?
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