sotto voce

That one is the joker. People are reluctant to become Christians because they know that will not be able to express hatred even of non-Christians if they do.

Steven Carr

Yes, it is strange that Peter and Paul were hot on the heels of people interpreting scripture or Paul's letters wrongly, but are totally silent about people interpreting the teachings of Jesus wrongly.

sotto voce

So what is the conclusion to be drawn from this, if it is correct?

Steven Carr

There were no teachings of Jesus?

sotto voce

In a sense, that is true, because the significance of Jesus to the apostles was his death and resurrection, rather than his teaching. Much of his teaching concerned those two events, then in the future; much of it was intended to demonstrate that Mosaic Law was insufficient, and was soon to be outmoded. Some of it was directed to Pharisees and Sadducees concerning attitude to Mosaic Law, which teaching had become either irrelevant or subsumed in larger issues that the apostles now presented. Much of it was parable, that was likewise subsumed, and which had explicit expression in the apostolic letters. Much of what Jesus taught must in logic have became redundant after his death.

Beyond that, everything that Jesus taught as recorded in the gospels is extension of existing Scripture, and Jesus explicitly confirmed the whole Hebrew Scripture as authoritative. So the apostles' remark that opponents of the church misinterpreted the Scriptures implied misinterpretation of Jesus, whom they regarded as the author of the Scriptures. And the same applied to misinterpretation of apostolic writing, because the apostles did not consider anything they wrote to be of their own creation, but only evidence that they had 'passed on the whole will of God'.

Toto

Note to certain posters: Expect to find sarcasm in Steven Carr's posts.

sotto voce

Many a true word spoken in sarcasm.

stephan huller

But what about the differences between Xenophon and Plato in their accounts of Socrates? And what about the various sects that derive from Socrates? Isn't the same basic situation being manifested here too?

JoeWallack

JW:
SV always reminds me of Major Hochstetter from Hogan's Heroes, "Vat is dis man doing here preaching Christian theology."

The Forum knows that the original Jesus' narrative "Mark", has a primary theme that the supposed disciples (per "Mark" there were no apostles) never accepted Jesus' supposed death and resurrection. Save it (so to speak) for Tweeb.



Joseph

outhouse

It seems OP has a hard time understanding, another culture was writing about a possible man they didnt know or meet nor lived in the same area.

Where is OP going with tihs? knowing we are not sure what teachings really can be attributed to him with any certainty.

They do know of a man called Paul who wrote his hellenistic version based on his opinion of early oral traditions, of course written to and for non jews.