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Sheshbazzar · 05-07-2013, 10:44 AM

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There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus of Nazareth was a militant.

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He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing."

Then He said to them, "But NOW, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack;
and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

"For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough."

He did not say to them 'Do not buy a sword', do not become militant'.

When they presented the two swords that were on hand, he did not say to them 'Sell them!' or 'Get rid of them!'.

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When those around Him saw what was going to happen, they said to Him, "Lord, shall we strike with the sword?"
And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear.

The situation staged and the consent implied.

Christ's followers have since went on to use their swords to hack off the arms, legs, and heads of countless hundreds of thousands in his name and in his memory, following his instruction.

Think he is going to come back and reattach all of those hacked off limbs and severed heads, like he did with the High Priests servants ear? Don't hold your breath.

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aa5874 · 05-07-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

...Think he is going to come back and reattach all of those hacked off limbs and severed heads, like he did with the High Priests servants ear? Don't hold your breath.
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Jesus was no militant in the NT. Jesus would have worked for the "Red Cross" or its equivalent in aniquity.

Whoever heard of a militant that scolds his followers for causing injuries to his enemies and then applies magic to the injury for a speedy recovery.

Jesus was a mythological militant.

Sheshbazzar · 05-07-2013, 04:55 PM

He may not have been a militant in the NT, but he left his followers this instruction on his way out;

"Now ...He who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."

He did not instruct them to hide their new swords uselessly in a closet, and never use them.

And use them they did, His followers took up their swords and hacked out a place in the world,
'in his name,' and in his memory, as he intended, when he issued the order.

Only the 'Christian Nations' have now added to their swords, an arsenal of rifles, of tanks, of drones, and bombs.
Getting everything all prepared for his return.

aa5874 · 05-07-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

He may not have been a militant in the NT, but he left his followers this instruction on his way out;

"Now ...He who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."

He did not instruct them to hide their new swords uselessly in a closet, and never use them.

And use them they did, His followers took up their swords and hacked out a place in the world,
'in his name,' and in his memory, as he intended, when he issued the order.

Only the 'Christian Nations' have now added to their swords, an arsenal of rifles, of tanks, of drones, and bombs.Getting everything all prepared for his return.

These are not the words of a militant-- just a mad man.

Matthew 5:39 KJV

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But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 18

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8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee , cut them off , and cast them from thee : it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out , and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enterinto life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Sheshbazzar · 05-07-2013, 06:28 PM

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34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth.

I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

35. For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,

and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';

36. and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household'.

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"Now ...He who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."

I don't believe there ever was any 'Jesus' of Nazareth, but whoever it was that composed these words, had creating religious conflict, stirring up hatreds, and promoting needless bloodshed as his goal. If it were 'Jesus' then 'Jesus' is the Satan.

aa5874 · 05-07-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

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34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth.

I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

35. For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,

and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';

36. and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household'.

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"Now ...He who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."

I don't believe there ever was any 'Jesus' of Nazareth, but whoever it was that composed these words, had creating religious conflict, stirring up hatreds, and promoting needless bloodshed as his goal. If it were 'Jesus' then 'Jesus' is the Satan.

At one time the Jesus character says one thing at another time the opposite.

We can clearly see the Jesus character is mad--mentally unstable

But, it is not Jesus who is disturbed.

It is the author who was mad.

Matthew 5:39 KJV

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But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 18

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8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee , cut them off , and cast them from thee : it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out , and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enterinto life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Onias · 05-08-2013, 02:28 PM

Imagine you are a militant and a Jewish zealot in the first century.

How would you react if your read the gospels?

Onias

aa5874 · 05-08-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Onias

Imagine you are a militant and a Jewish zealot in the first century.

How would you react if your read the gospels?

Onias

In the 1st century there would be no gospels imagined or real.

Onias · 05-08-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

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Originally Posted by Onias

Imagine you are a militant and a Jewish zealot in the first century.

How would you react if your read the gospels?

Onias

In the 1st century there would be no gospels imagined or real.

aa,
This is a thought experiment (ala Einstein), meant to expand your mind to allow you to think "outside the box" for a moment.

But I will rephrase the question:

If a zealot were to reincarnate or otherwise travel to a future after the gospels were written, how would he react to the gospel tales?
Onias

Sheshbazzar · 05-09-2013, 12:05 AM

He would likely shout the Aramaic equivalent of 'WTF is all this stupid horse shit ???'

Sorry, ....aa wasn't around and I got impatient.

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05-07-2013, 04:55 PM	#113
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	He may not have been a militant in the NT, but he left his followers this instruction on his way out; "Now ...He who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." He did not instruct them to hide their new swords uselessly in a closet, and never use them. And use them they did, His followers took up their swords and hacked out a place in the world, 'in his name,' and in his memory, as he intended, when he issued the order. Only the 'Christian Nations' have now added to their swords, an arsenal of rifles, of tanks, of drones, and bombs. Getting everything all prepared for his return.

05-08-2013, 02:28 PM	#117
Onias Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Primary residence in New York State Posts: 231	Imagine you are a militant and a Jewish zealot in the first century. How would you react if your read the gospels? Onias

05-09-2013, 12:05 AM	#120
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	He would likely shout the Aramaic equivalent of 'WTF is all this stupid horse shit ???' Sorry, ....aa wasn't around and I got impatient.

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