aa5874

You have ASKED me OVER 40 questions so far.

You must have forgotten that you started this very thread.

Please give your position on the chronologies of the 2nd century!!!!

I really can't help you if you are confused.

I have ALREADY given you my position on the chronologies of the 2nd century based on the evidence.

Justin's Jesus was non-historical and was BEFORE the Pauline Jesus.

Why are you confused?

aa5874

Well, again you are Wrong or Confused.

The Pauline Epistles do contain statements supposedly made by Jesus in the Gospels.

1 Corinthians 11:23-25 - These statements by Paul MUST have come from some HUMAN Being if it did happen since Paul was NOT at the supposed Last Supper and was NOT converted until Jesus had ALREADY ascended.

Only gLuke contains the words this do in remembrance of me.

Luke 22 How could Paul get such details about the Last Supper from a dead man? The Last Supper, if it did happen as described in gLuke, was completely PRIVATE with the 12 disciples.

Again, we find that the Pauline writings are NOT credible. The author was AWARE of gLuke and LIVED AFTER gLuke was written.

The very first mention of gLuke is in the LATE 2nd century in "Against Heresies" and AFTER the writings of Justin Martyr.

Duvduv

Given the extent of what is stated in the gospels in the name of a man named Jesus the mere reference to the wine and bread incident is not evidence that the writer of Corinthians knew of this story. According to Doherty and others, this is a ritual commemorating the spiritual activities of the Christ. It later became literalized as PART of the many stories and logia of the gospels, and as varying translations from Greek.

It is very possible that epistles and gospels shared common early sources including some stories that were floating around. Of course we do know that the author of the epistles never heard of John the Baptist, the baptism, Capernaum and Nazareth, the escape to Egypt, Herod, the Sermon on the Mount, the many parables in the gospels, the appearance at the Temple, the Centurion, the women at the tomb, etc.

Duvduv

You keep restating that position, and that is fine. HOWEVER, you did not address what I asked you about chapters 34 and 47 from the Apology (not to mention the Dispute with Tryphon).

aa5874

You are either mistaken or confused.

I did SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS your question in Post #96.



Now, please address my request and clearly state you position on the chronologies of the 2nd century. You seem to only want your 40 odd questions addressed.

Duvduv

I don't mind admitting when I get confused. I am confused by your referral to those chapters of Justin and the fact that I used the same chapters 34 and 46 to suggest that Justin DID believe in an earthly Jesus. Restating repeatedly the idea of the ghost Jesus versus the phantom Jesus doesn't clarify for me what Justin means in chapters 34 and 46 with reference to a man Jesus actually born in the physical world. I guess you'll have to be more explicit with me.....

Duvduv

Here is chapter 34, which I felt you did not address:
And hear what part of earth He was to be born in, as another prophet, Micah, foretold. He spoke thus: “And thou, Bethlehem, the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah; for out of thee shall come forth a Governor, who shall feed My people.” Now there is a village in the land of the Jews, thirty-five stadia from Jerusalem, in which Jesus Christ was born, as you can ascertain also from the registers of the taxing made under Cyrenius, your first procurator in Judaea.

Duvduv

Was Jesus born in Bethlehem according to Justin or not??
Here is chapter 46:
And hear what part of earth He was to be born in, as another prophet, Micah, foretold. He spoke thus: “And thou, Bethlehem, the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah; for out of thee shall come forth a Governor, who shall feed My people.” Now there is a village in the land of the Jews, thirty-five stadia from Jerusalem, in which Jesus Christ was born, as you can ascertain also from the registers of the taxing made under Cyrenius, your first procurator in Judaea.

Duvduv

Please also tell me how you can be sure that the ORIGINAL source of the Bread and Wine story was a gospel story FIRST. Perhaps the gospel story was derived from 1 Corinthians or more likely an oral story floating around related to the ceremonies connected to the rituals of the celestial Christ sect BEFORE there were gospels...

1 Corinthians 11:23-25 -

These statements by Paul MUST have come from some HUMAN Being if it did happen since Paul was NOT at the supposed Last Supper and was NOT converted until Jesus had ALREADY ascended.

Only gLuke contains the words this do in remembrance of me.

Luke 22
Quote:
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

aa5874

Well, if you are confused I cannot help you.

You don't SEEM to understand that people of antiquity believed Ghosts actually existed.

You don't SEEM to understand that people of antiquity BELIEVED Phantoms ACTUALLY existed.

Marcion's Son of God was a Phantom and Justin's Jesus was FATHERED by a Holy Ghost.