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Old 10-01-2009, 09:00 AM   #81
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Yes, as a non-Christian, and an accuser of THE CHURCH, it is apparent that you feel free to neglect and to ignore what IS written in The Bible to make up your own imaginary Bible verses.
I do not blame real Christians for your worthless words and act.
Modern Churches pass around a collection plates. That was forbidden by Jesus Christ. Do you Jesus walked into a Temple, and he saw the church was charging it's members? Jesus went into a rage, and he over-turned the tables, slapped the collection plates out of everyone's hand, he pushed people down.. abnd he cursed at them in Hebrew..etc,etc.
This is wrong on so many counts. You really don't know much about the bible do you?
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Modern Churches pass around a collection plates. That was forbidden by Jesus Christ. Do you Jesus walked into a Temple, and he saw the church was charging it's members? Jesus went into a rage, and he over-turned the tables, slapped the collection plates out of everyone's hand, he pushed people down.. abnd he cursed at them in Hebrew..etc,etc.
That's not what happened at all. The money changers' booths were there for a reason - to exchange equivalence of foreign currency. For the passover celebration, each Jew is supposed to set up a tabernacle and offer a sacrifice for the High Priest to perform. Instead of Jews carrying their own sacrificial animal from hundreds of miles away for the passover, they simply buy them at the temple.

It has nothing to do with any sort of modern church collection plate. If you're going to blame anyone, blame YHWH for forcing Jews to perform animal sacrifices.
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Modern Churches pass around a collection plates. That was forbidden by Jesus Christ. Do you Jesus walked into a Temple, and he saw the church was charging it's members? Jesus went into a rage, and he over-turned the tables, slapped the collection plates out of everyone's hand, he pushed people down.. abnd he cursed at them in Hebrew..etc,etc.
That's not what happened at all. The money changers' booths were there for a reason - to exchange equivalence of foreign currency. For the passover celebration, each Jew is supposed to set up a tabernacle and offer a sacrifice for the High Priest to perform. Instead of Jews carrying their own sacrificial animal from hundreds of miles away for the passover, they simply buy them at the temple.

It has nothing to do with any sort of modern church collection plate.
Do you know the verse where Jesus saw it's members were being charged? That's not what I asked.

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That's not what happened at all. The money changers' booths were there for a reason - to exchange equivalence of foreign currency. For the passover celebration, each Jew is supposed to set up a tabernacle and offer a sacrifice for the High Priest to perform. Instead of Jews carrying their own sacrificial animal from hundreds of miles away for the passover, they simply buy them at the temple.

It has nothing to do with any sort of modern church collection plate.
Do you know the verse where Jesus saw it's members were being charged? That's not what I asked.
lol I think you're kinda confused.
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Do you know the verse where Jesus saw it's members were being charged? That's not what I asked.
lol I think you're kinda confused.
He got mad at them for obeying the letter of the law in tithing to the exact amount but overlooking the real issues of the law, judgement, and mercy (Mt. 23:23, Lk. 11:42).


Jesus said, My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'
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lol I think you're kinda confused.
He got mad at them for obeying the letter of the law in tithing to the exact amount but overlooking the real issues of the law, judgement, and mercy (Mt. 23:23, Lk. 11:42).


Jesus said, My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'
That still doesn't address the historical issue I presented, which has nothing to do with church collection plates.
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Nor the simple, proven, and self-admitted fact that IBIH is not a 'Christian' nor a member of THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH as it is defined by testimony of The Bible.
He does not practice the Christian religion, and does not peaceably fellowship among The Brethren, nor, by so separating himself, and ordaining himself as being of greater authority than all others, hearken at all to any authority above his own, in professing to be a one man church.

Such is NOT at all the way of real Christians, Nor did The Lord Jesus at any time give any member of His CHURCH any such instruction.
He brings accusations against The Christian Church, and selectively ignores the words of of The Lord Jesus Christ.
One might well consider what this reveals concerning this individuals true character, and from whom he comes, and whom it is that he most truly serves.
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Nor the simple, proven, and self-admitted fact that IBIH is not a 'Christian' nor a member of THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH as it is defined by testimony of The Bible.
He does not practice the Christian religion, and does not peaceably fellowship among The Brethren, nor, by so separating himself, and ordaining himself as being of greater authority than all others, hearken at all to any authority above his own, in professing to be a one man church.

Such is NOT at all the way of real Christians, Nor did The Lord Jesus at any time give any member of His CHURCH any such instruction.
He brings accusations against The Christian Church, and selectively ignores the words of of The Lord Jesus Christ.
One might well consider what this reveals concerning this individuals true character, and from whom he comes, and whom it is that he most truly serves.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The Jesus I know wouldn't be accepted in many modern churches because the blood and dirt on his feet would stain their pretty new carpets.

Many churches charge it's congretation to worship idols. Sound familiar?

And I'm not a one man church. There are many Christians who are disgusted with modern churches.. I'm NOT the only one. Many Catholics quit attending services because of a pedophile who couldn't keep his hands off kids. Do you consider these people non-christian because of this action?

I'm only following what GOD said to do, and what NOT to do. I follow YHWH because his word is sacred.
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He got mad at them for obeying the letter of the law in tithing to the exact amount but overlooking the real issues of the law, judgement, and mercy (Mt. 23:23, Lk. 11:42).


Jesus said, My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'
That still doesn't address the historical issue I presented, which has nothing to do with church collection plates.
Jesus said My house is a house of worship, but you are making it a den of robbers! I believe he is talking about the congregation taxing it's members. And not what you said.
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Yes, as a non-Christian, and an accuser of THE CHURCH, it is apparent that you feel free to neglect and to ignore what IS written in The Bible to make up your own imaginary Bible verses.
I do not blame real Christians for your worthless words and act.
Modern Churches pass around a collection plates. That was forbidden by Jesus Christ.
No it was not, and THE Christian Church, since its inception has from The Lord held the authority to receive the tithes. And this was a requirement for all who worked, and desired continued fellowship.

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Do you Jesus walked into a Temple, and he saw the church was charging it's members? Jesus went into a rage, and he over-turned the tables, slapped the collection plates out of everyone's hand, he pushed people down.. and he cursed at them in Hebrew..etc,etc.?
Perhaps if you attended CHURCH you might learn what was taking place in those verses, it had nothing to do with passing around collection plates.
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Goto Youtube and check out how many Churches burn to the ground because they got struck by lightning..
Yes it seems evident that you would take a particular delight at the destruction of any CHURCH or House of Prayer.
After all none of The Lord Jesus Christ's CHURCHES are good enough for one such as you, who are against His CHURCH.
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