Smullyan-esque

Ah, excellent! I knew you were not really such a conservative Christian at heart. You respect the truth of the Koran as much as you respect the truth of the Bible. All holy works are equal in your eyes.
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We enjoy criticism. What we don't like is ignorant criticism. Someone attacking the theory of relativity (or gravity, or evolution, or whatever) without knowing it at all gets a bit of a rough trip here at IIDB. As anyone would expect.
The only one that you gave that makes any sense is the "lots of other people have read it, so it must be good" reason. I don't think that this argument makes it TRUE, but it does make it IMPORTANT.

But then, a LOT of people hold the Koran in very high regard. Don't you think that makes it important, afdave?

The other reasons you gave are actually incorrect. You claim that the Bible has verified prophecy, but I didn't find any when I read it. I read parts that claimed to be verified prophecy, but they were parts of obviously fictional stories. By that standard, some Star Trek episodes that involve time travel contain verified prophecy! Similarly, your other claims are either personal opinion (accurately portrays the human condition) or false (contains accurate history).
Now, you need to realize that I think both you and the Muslims are both batty weirdos. So I can't make these claims myself.

But are you really so profoundly ignorant that you aren't aware that Muslims claim all of these things? They say that the Koran has more accurate and better verified prophecy than the Bible. That is has verified history and science. That their lives were changed for the better by reading it. They DEFINATELY build hospitals and orphanages. Why do you think all those Palistinians voted for Hamas? And they have definately been killed for their beliefs. Heard of the Crusades?

Are you pretending ignorance, or are you just a small-town guy with small-town thoughts and no knowledge of the outside world?
That's the only dodge you have left. "Oh, there's more than a billion Muslims in the world, but that isn't really a LOT."

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There is ONE reason you shouldn't read the Koran and the holy works of other religions, but it isn't one that you listed. It's because, if you do, you might not stay certain that you are correct. You might discover that you have some pretty silly and wrong beliefs. If you did read them, you might become like us, afdave.

And I bet you think of that as a fate worse than death.

Cege

afdave, if it was good enuff for Paul and Jesus, is it good enuff for you?

Do you know that Paul quotes pagan poets in his epistles? Obviously he had read them and was familiar enuff with them to quote verbatim.

"We are his Offspring" Acts 17:28 is a quote from Aratus

"In him we live and move and have our being" also Acts 17:28, from Epimenides

Acts 26:14 has Jesus directly quoting Euripides: "“it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.”

These and others are examples of quotations in the epistles that aren't from canonical OT books.

It's best to be well read if your plan is to counter religions philosophies and beliefs other than your own.

Dave Hawkins

Can you please point me to some fulfilled prophecies in the Koran? I can point you to many in the Bible, but I plan to do this in a different thread and take them one at a time. Tell me about some hospitals and orphanages built in honor of Islam or out of gratitude to Allah or whatever. I would like to hear about them. Now mind you, I'm not talking about government funded projects. I'm talking about private orphanages and private hospitals built with private charitable funds donated out of hearts full of Christian gratitude. I'm aware of the Crusades. Black eye on Christendom. Thank God for Wyclif, Luther and others who reformed that mess. I'm not sure how Muslims getting massacred in a 'holy' war is same as somebody like Hus or Tyndale getting burned at the stake because they won't recant their beliefs. There are some very important differences.

Constant Mews

Absolutely false. You have never given a single good reason to read the Bible.

You are ignorant of the Bible, Dave - pig ignorant, just as you are about science, history, theology, and every other field of study.

Condraz23

On a rather unrelated side note...

Most Christians have not read the Bible, but this is understandable. It's a very boring book and would take a long long time to read. After all, most atheists have never read Charles Darwin's "Origin of Species" either.

Toto

I don't endorse this site, but I expect it is at least as accurate as your claim of Biblical prophecies fulfilled:

http://www.answering-christianity.co...htm#prophecies

Muslims are required to give to the poor by their religion (none of this "the poor ye have always with you.)

Islamic Charities

Islam invented hospitals:

Islamic hospitals I'm sure the latest casualties in religious wars appreciate the differences.

rfmwinnie

Here you go: orphanage Also note there is a Muslim tradition in some countries of families taking care of orphans so there is no need for orphanages.

prophecies

persecution because of not recanting

Boy that took me all of 10 minutes to find. I purposely tried to find Muslim sites that were similar to Christian sites. Kind of like if I googled Christian orphanages. The first two sites claim their inspiration is the Quar'ran just like Christians claim the Bible. The last one is wikipedia.

notta_skeptic

Sadly, Jayco, you are not the first, nor will you be the last person on an Internet forum to ask this question. And you'll never receive an answer from AFDave, either.

Try googling "afdave unanswered questions" and following some of the links.

Silent Dave

*modest cough*

BTW, welcome to IIDB, notta! :wave:

Sauron

No, you can't.

I think you mean to post your claims, and the ignore the reponses one at a time.

Apparently you would *not* like to hear about them, since they're really easy to find on the internet -- yet you never bothered to lift a finger to educated yourself.

Strawman. Nobody used any holy war example.

Wrong.