patcleaver

There is no such thing as an ordinary man who was mythicized.

There are thousands of stories that are entirely made up, and there are thousands of stories of famous people who have been mythicized, but there is NOT EVEN ONE CASE that I know where an ordinary man was mythicized. Your idea that Jesus was an ordinary man that was mythicized is ludicrous.

That is not what you are claiming that Jesus did. You are claiming that Jesus arranged to have the events of his life have parallels in the Jewish Scripture in the hope of being mistaken for the messiah and written about. If Jesus had wanted to be remembers as the messiah, then all he would have had to do is to pay some Mark to write some story in which events in his life parallel parts of the Jewish Scriptures.

How did Jesus arrange to have his mother be a virgin and his father be Yahweh?

How did Jesus orchestrate the conspiracy disclosed in the gospels between the Pharisees and the Sadducees and the Romans to kill Jesus.

How did he arrange to be crucified for an offense that was punishable by stoning?

How did he arrange his arrest in the garden of Gethsemane and a trial in front of the Sanhedrin and another trial in front of Harrod and another trial in front of Pilot, so that he would be crucified on Passover.

Your proposal has no merit at all.

How did Jesus orchestrate a triumphant march into Jerusalem with a cheering crowd of thousands laying down their cloaks - was that another massive conspiracy.

Fiction is a lot simpler explanation then massive conspiracies, impossible events, impossible dialog.

There was no historical Jesus.

patcleaver

Ben,

There are no ordinary people who have been mythicized into Gods.

We have 10,000 Gods who are worshiped today, and there is no evidence that any of them were ordinary people who were mythicized into Gods.

It is ludicrous to claim that Jesus was an ordinary person that was mythicized into a God when there is absolutely no evidence that its true, and 10,000 examples that its false.

There is no reasonable intellectual argument that Jesus was an ordinary man who was mythicized into a God. The only basis for belief that Jesus was mythicized from an ordinary man into a God is the wish to pretend that its true.

There are kings that have been mythicized into Gods, but no ordinary men.

patcleaver

Excellent point aa5874.

I do not know of any other case where educated people attempt to use religious hagiography to try to prove that mythical people existed.

show_no_mercy

What about ordinary people who claim to be a king (ie a messiah)?

Ben C Smith

Apollonius of Tyana.

(I think I already mentioned him. Did you miss it?)

Apollonius was not a king.

Ben.

aa5874

Once it can be ascertained that Appolonius was a real person, then he was deified NOT mythicized.

It should be noted that mythical Gods are considered as non/never-existent entities.

It should also be noted that the Caesars were deified, not mythicised.

And, Achilles, if my memory is good, was a myth, he could not be deified by Homer, unless it is thought Achilles was a real person.

patcleaver

You are claiming that Apollonius or Tyana was mythicized into a God.

I never heard that before.

Please provide some citation or evedence that its true?

Ben C Smith

From one of the letters of Apollonius:

Why is it surprising that most of humanity thinks me close to a god, and some an actual god, and yet up to now only my ancestral city fails to recognize me, when it is for her that I have particularly striven to distinguish myself?

(Note that it matters not whether this letter is authentic; it attests to the belief by some people that Apollonius was a god.)

Ben.

No Robots

To make Christ out as a myth is to deify him, to make him out to be a god, howsoever fictional. Christian religion has always sought to make Christ out to be a god, but could never completely obliterate his humanity. Mythicism attempts to do what Christian religion never could: to obliterate all trace of Christ the man.

Jeffrey Gibson

Can you please give me your source for this figure?

Perhaps so (although Sai Baba comes to mind as a pretty good modern candidate for why you deny as ever having occured), but entirely irrelevant since the question is about gods worshipped 2000 years ago, not today.

Again, what is the source of this statistic?


Jeffrey