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Johann_Kaspar · 10-08-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by John Deere

...all I can say is that my imagination must be pretty sensational.

Indeed!

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Originally Posted by John Deere

I wish to make the following request to the moderator.

That is not he place. As a newbie you should have read the rules. Seems that you listen only to yourself.

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Originally Posted by John Deere

That he or she review the overlay between the two data sets, confirm my findings and following that delete every posting by Spin attacking my character. If this is not done I will never place another post on this thread.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :wave:
Please!
As you are not engaging in serious discussions...

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Originally Posted by John Deere

Spin, obviously, hurled his accusations, not from any nuanced comparison of the two data sets, which when compared as a group are the same, but merely from his observation of a single discrepancy. Such an approach is simply not rational and since you deleted my comment of Spin’s mental state I would ask that you now do the same to his discredited postings.

Coming to the conclusion that the Flavians made up the gospels, Edit Or at least about understanding the meaning of probabilities. That this book will find a public in one country is only to point to the fact how gullible or brainwashed people are there.

Please do not speculate or make comments about the mental state of other posters.
DtC, Moderator, BC&H

steven andresen · 10-16-2005, 06:55 PM

To Joseph Atwill,

I am sympathetic to your thesis and your hopes for its importance. However, in order to win the place you have wanted for it an argument needs to be made for it against the prevailing contenders.

Here are some of those:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

It would seem to me the Flavian hypothesis could make some headway with any of these theories, though some serious work would need to show it.

In looking at the list of theories about the historical Jesus on the above site, none consider anything near the claim you have promoted.

This would seem to be the challenge of your next book, and a project I would like to see realized.

steven andresen · 10-16-2005, 10:42 PM

Joe,

I have tried to understand the debate you've been carrying on about the proper dating of scrolls. Considering your thesis described in "Caesar's Messiah," why should any date to the scrolls matter?

In thinking about this, I suspected there might be some idea that writings similar to the gospels could have been found as part of the scroll cache. This may be evidence that the Flavians had little if anything to do with the writings of the seminal christian literature.

It seems to me there may be many theories to account for wordings found in the gospels to also appear in the scrolls.

I'd be interested in a brief explanation of the stakes involved in your debate with spin.

thank you,

steven andresen

10-16-2005, 06:55 PM	#182
steven andresen Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 9	Again to Joe To Joseph Atwill, I am sympathetic to your thesis and your hopes for its importance. However, in order to win the place you have wanted for it an argument needs to be made for it against the prevailing contenders. Here are some of those: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html It would seem to me the Flavian hypothesis could make some headway with any of these theories, though some serious work would need to show it. In looking at the list of theories about the historical Jesus on the above site, none consider anything near the claim you have promoted. This would seem to be the challenge of your next book, and a project I would like to see realized.

10-16-2005, 10:42 PM	#183
steven andresen Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 9	Curious Joe, I have tried to understand the debate you've been carrying on about the proper dating of scrolls. Considering your thesis described in "Caesar's Messiah," why should any date to the scrolls matter? In thinking about this, I suspected there might be some idea that writings similar to the gospels could have been found as part of the scroll cache. This may be evidence that the Flavians had little if anything to do with the writings of the seminal christian literature. It seems to me there may be many theories to account for wordings found in the gospels to also appear in the scrolls. I'd be interested in a brief explanation of the stakes involved in your debate with spin. thank you, steven andresen

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