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Johann_Kaspar · 05-12-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

Hrm, let's see if I got my facts straight: you know nothing, so you mock those who do? :down: I'll respond when you actually have something to say.

Yes, you are quite right, I am an ignorant asshole. :down:

I am very sorry, but I guess that it is in my moronic nature to accept outright lies such as this one:

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[The gospel of matthew starts] with the words, “it came to pass in the days of Herod, king of Judaea, in the high priesthood of Caiaphas, that a certain man, John by name, came baptizing with the baptism of repentance in the river Jordan�? and so on.

By the way I do not need your reply. :wave:

Johann_Kaspar · 05-12-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

Depends on "proof". In Biblical Criticism, Yuri, it's never proof. I already gave my reasons it stands as a unified gospel, and you have yet to give criticism of it.

If it is never proof, then you are only assuming or doing guess work when you are writing:

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Matthew stands wholly as a whole gospel, written by one man.

Moreover "unified" means very little, if anything. If you want to tell us that someone some time collected previous texts, an then added, deleted, appended, edited (and so on) those texts to make a new version... well that was very common practice at the time. :Cheeky:

Johann_Kaspar · 05-12-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

To Yuri:
For #3 - Mt. 10:5-6 - Jews only; Mt. 15:24-28 - Samaritan accepted on faith; Mt. 28:19 - For all nations;

The parallel here is that Jesus was a Jew but then after be betrayed by the Jews, he takes his message to all the nations leading them to the promised Kingdom of God, just like Moses who was an Egyptian who then became enemies with the Egyptians and led his people to the Promised Land of Canaan.

Funny how a biased mind is working to drag everything unto his opinion (or shall I say agenda?).
mt 28:19 was edited by one last editor, for I am reading instead of:

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19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

that:

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19 Go
20 and teach them to carry out all the things which I have commanded you forever.

I have commanded you: go only for the "children of Israel".

The agenda is clearly proven when mt. 10-24:28 does not speak about a "Samaritan", but a Greek woman. Her daughter is "saved" only because the mother accept the Jews as masters. :Cheeky:

Johann_Kaspar · 05-12-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

To Yuri:
For #3 - Mt. 10:5-6 - Jews only; Mt. 15:24-28 - Samaritan accepted on faith; Mt. 28:19 - For all nations;

The parallel here is that Jesus was a Jew but then after be betrayed by the Jews, he takes his message to all the nations leading them to the promised Kingdom of God, just like Moses who was an Egyptian who then became enemies with the Egyptians and led his people to the Promised Land of Canaan.

You have no idea what the kingdom of dog means for a Jew. :Cheeky:

Chris Weimer · 05-12-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Johann_Kaspar

If it is never proof, then you are only assuming or doing guess work when you are writing:Moreover "unified" means very little, if anything. If you want to tell us that someone some time collected previous texts, an then added, deleted, appended, edited (and so on) those texts to make a new version... well that was very common practice at the time. :Cheeky:

Your point?

Chris Weimer · 05-12-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Johann_Kaspar

Funny how a biased mind is working to drag everything unto his opinion (or shall I say agenda?).
mt 28:19 was edited by one last editor, for I am reading instead of: that:I have commanded you: go only for the "children of Israel".

But it doesn't say that.

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The agenda is clearly proven when mt. 10-24:28 does not speak about a "Samaritan", but a Greek woman. Her daughter is "saved" only because the mother accept the Jews as masters. :Cheeky:

Please try to be more coherent next time.

Yuri Kuchinsky · 05-13-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

To Yuri:
For #3 - Mt. 10:5-6 - Jews only; Mt. 15:24-28 - Samaritan accepted on faith; Mt. 28:19 - For all nations;

The parallel here is that Jesus was a Jew but then after be betrayed by the Jews, he takes his message to all the nations leading them to the promised Kingdom of God, just like Moses who was an Egyptian who then became enemies with the Egyptians and led his people to the Promised Land of Canaan.

The Nativity section is the most obvious part of Mt that seems to have been added later. Lots of scholars think so. Also the belief in the Trinity.

If you don't see these things, then obviously you need to do a lot more study.

Read my article about the evolutionary view of the gospels,

http://neonostalgia.com/forum/index.php?topic=76.0

Yours,

Yuri

Chris Weimer · 05-13-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuri Kuchinsky

The Nativity section is the most obvious part of Mt that seems to have been added later. Lots of scholars think so. Also the belief in the Trinity.

Could be, but never claimed to be dependent on those things. The Nativity had nothing to do with the escape to Egypt or the massacre of the children both which add to the Moses theme. And I've already read your article, thank you. After all, it is in my forum

best,

Chris

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